samurai69

I feel very slightly down on strength today and yesterday (still managed the same weights or very slight improvement) but my thinking is to change the time on time off.

I am now on my 11th day off and feel like i want to start again, so i am leaning towards a possible off time of 12 days, I also feel that time on was just too short at 14 days and I think I would possible get more benefit running upto another 3 days (17 days on).

17 days on 12 days off --- would like to hear your thoughts on that, still at a 15mg per day dose.

I am going to stick with 14 on 14 off for the next two short cycles (july and august), but after a slightly longer rest may try the 17/12 cycle

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I did a 17 day winstrol cycle @ only 50mg and I didnt get any shutdown I can notice. Although I didnt like the gains either, 50 mg of winstrol seemed only to keep me a bit harder.

I think 17 on and 14 off sounds pretty good tho.

The only thing I did notice was a slight less desire to have sex. So maybe their was a slight shutdown.

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ONE SMART COOKIE

Dont mess with a proven formula you`ve proved that already..your doing a typicalbber/roid head thing "IF ONE IS WORKING 2 WILL BE EVEN BETTER"

You`ve just said you felt a very slight improvement...so why fuc£ing change and after 11 off your still over 3lbs up..how many others do you know that can say that??????

The longer your on the longer you have to be off to allow the body to reset itself hormonally and the more chance you`ll have of some or more shutdown..with the 14 days I bet you havent shutdwon a single bit...

Stick with 14 on 14 off for the rest of the year and I bet your up 14+lbs by christmas and you`ll also prove to a lot of newbie drug users that they dont have to shovel sh!tloads of gear down them to get results.....that alone is worth a 1000 words of praise..........

samurai69

I know what you are saying, I am just thinking about refining things a bit.



That last bit is very true, but will they pay attention

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Cant see any point in attempting to fix what isnt broken, besides theres only 3 days left and you'll be back on

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ONE SMART COOKIE

Dont think just do......

Take a look at my signature and that says it all............so many fall into that trap...

Just keep going with what your doing and try to squeeze every last drop of weight out of each cycle till you can get no more THEN WE`LL TWEAK IT to get the gains coming again.....

I think you`ll get atleast 6 cycles out of that system till it needs changing and by then you could be up at least 10lbs in bodyweight and 10lbs that your keeping aswell not loosing post cycle.....

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That last bit is very true, but will they pay attention

If they dont pay attention then that`ll prove another theory I have that bbers are getting more and more stupid,thicker and reckless as time goes by.....

JohnO

I think you need to stay with it Samurai, remember what you set out to do - try a 14on14off oral cycle.

I would go for the second 14 days on and off and see how you feel at the end of this and how your gains have come in this period.

Good luck mate and keep at it

samurai69

Ok Ok, no tweaks :-)

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Weighed in this morning (normal time after bodilyfunctions etc) and i weigh just over the 90kg (198 lbs) (not quite 90.5). up from 88.5kg (194.5 lbs) 3.5 lbs up so I am happy with that.

Trained deadlifts today and its the only day this week i didnt manage a weight increase, I was out late last night, so maybe that had a bearing on it.

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First day back on the d-bol, was going to try sucking them, but at that time of morning its easier just to swallow them.

Managed another very slight increase on shoulder presses and shrugs.

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fits

nice to hear the increases are stil comming, keep up the good work, and side that you have noticed?

Stevo

I have been sorting out a first cycle of Test Enan & Dianabol.....But after reading through this little lot....seriously thinking of just trying a dianabol on and off cycle...Think it would also suit my lifestyle better at mo..........Especialy if i can keep getting gains without a big shutdown....like yourself S69.....

Excellent post....especially as you are proof at the mo its working without big dosages...

Do you think or any comments about you looking any bigger yourself yet ???

samurai69

Its the start of my second part, I look tighter and shape is better, no noticable size, but i never think i look that big.

Its definately worth giving this a try as a first cycle, there was no sign of shutdown at all last month.

As cookie and biker have been saying its not fast and furious, but slow and steady and I am more than happy at the moment.

So, go for it and hope it works as well for you as its doing for me

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fits

no shut down eh? good to hear, how much muscle do you think you have added? i know its early days yet and probably hard to tell exactly.

I think a cycle like this is definately worth a go, you can always up it if things are not working, start small then add if needed ratherthan diving straight in with big doses!

good luck mate keep itup and keep us informed

samurai69

Its difficult to say, I think i look leaner round the waist., so would be nice to think its all muscle

That was my thinking when i started, the thought once it was woking was to up it for a faster gain, but I am being pacient and i am sure it is the right way, Cookie said earlier in the thread that he reckoned i could run this upto christmas and possibly further and still make gains. Then when the gains stop then change it about a bit, so thats what i plan to do

Cheers mate will definately keep this going

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