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Old 24-06-2005, 03:04 PM   #136 (permalink)
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I'm not sure OSC I think about 7-8 would be the best time to take it just to make sure the natural ramp up takes place, taking at 4 may interfere with it... but as you know this is little more than guess work and I could be wrong

So say get up at 6 workout then take your pills.
Well the reason being I was hoping that the very early dose could work in synergy with the natural peak at 7 or 8 plus trying to work in the amount of time it would take the dbol to be metabolised and get into the blood stream and do its stuff and then it could naturally taper backdown agin with the bodies natural taper and the body intheory should be none na wiser...all theory mind you..

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All the stuff you read about old timers ie Huge steaks -creatine, gallons of milk - protein etc, its all instinctive and is being proved scientifically now :smoke:
Thats alwys been another one of my points..why the hell do we need to have scientific back up these days before people will try it....if people would only listen to their inner selves they would get all the answers a heck of a lot quicker than they realise......
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Well the reason being I was hoping that the very early dose could work in synergy with the natural peak at 7 or 8 plus trying to work in the amount of time it would take the dbol to be metabolised and get into the blood stream and do its stuff and then it could naturally taper backdown agin with the bodies natural taper and the body intheory should be none na wiser...all theory mind you..
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but if using grapefruit etc I wonder how quickly they'll enter the system, it's a hard to know exactly what time and the reality probably is that anytime between 5-8 is probably close enough to not make much difference.
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Old 25-06-2005, 02:28 PM   #138 (permalink)
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but if using grapefruit etc I wonder how quickly they'll enter the system, it's a hard to know exactly what time and the reality probably is that anytime between 5-8 is probably close enough to not make much difference.
Agree....I think the average time would be about 1-2hrs and the drug should be working its way through the system....the grapefruit wouldnt speed up entry of the drug just increase what actually gets through by reducing the livers production of p450 which breaksdown and destroys foreign bodies going into the system....

Anyway I think this should be a sticky too much good info here to let it disappear.................
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Old 25-06-2005, 03:51 PM   #139 (permalink)
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Maybe the levels are low when you first go to bed because HGH is high at that moment.
Maybe the Testosterone spikes at 7:00 or around morning time for a reason.
Maybe this high time was for hunting in the morning breaking the resting fast (sleep).

Bridging is built on the morning time dose to help eliminate the shutdown but still use to get some benefit.

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Well, i do agree with the fact that if you use the biggest dose in the morning you will have the least shutdown of the HPTA.

Now this is dose related.
Clearance time related.
Time on related.

Below is the bodys rise and fall of natural testosterone levels.
I feel that if you design your oral cycle around this you will be better off.
Lenth, dose, type of gear all play a factor for shutdown of the HPTA.
So most of us training after work circa 5-7 are training when our natural test is at its lowest for the day? Correct?
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Probably but remember lifting weights raise natural test levels too.
Especially the deadlifts and squats.
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Anyway I think this should be a sticky too much good info here to let it disappear.................
its all good info.


Just had a look for grapefruit juice and they dont sell it here, they also dont seem to be available at the moment (or are not cheap) so fresh squeezed is not a choice, will keep looking though

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Old 26-06-2005, 11:46 AM   #143 (permalink)
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Just had a look for grapefruit juice and they dont sell it here, they also dont seem to be available at the moment (or are not cheap) so fresh squeezed is not a choice, will keep looking though
Not paramount that you use the grapefruit its just on of those little tweaking things that can be used to see if any more gains can be made without having to increase dosage..
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Not paramount that you use the grapefruit its just on of those little tweaking things that can be used to see if any more gains can be made without having to increase dosage..

I realised that, just would have been nice to give it a try, will keep looking for GF juice anyway
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SO what are S69 can you give a quick update so for? how long you been doing this course? what effects/differences have you noticed this far?
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I realised that, just would have been nice to give it a try, will keep looking for GF juice anyway
I`m sure there is something else that`ll increase absorbtion but it escapes me for now....gonna have to do a bit of reading and see if I can find it....

I also used to dissolve halotestin tabs under my tongue to improve delivery through the muccus glands...never tried it with dbol so cant say for sure if it would work on them....also the idea of putting them under the tongue was to reduce sides from the dbol as it was supposed to go straight into the system buccally rather than through the liver(twice)orally.......

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Cayenne is used to strengthen the effects of other herbs.
It is commonly used along with other herbs to enhance them.
Cayenne increases circulation to every organ in the body.

Putting something under the tongue (Sublingual gland) is common for trying to get the best bang for your buck.
Nitrogen tablets for heart patents commonly use this Sublingual method.
Many herbal preperations use the Sublingual too, mostly extracts, DHEA is advised to use this method too but that stuff tasts really nasty.
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2 weeks on and weight gain of 2 -2.5 kg, 7 days into off period and weigth is still hovering at the +2 mark, strength has not dropped at all

Will re weigh properly before re-start and then after 14 day cycle

7 more days and then restart, I may try chewing as the apex are sweetened, never could suck the old rowntrees so sticking under tounge is going to be difficult

I would like to increase shoulder press to the 45 kg dumbells (99 lbs) for a couple of reps for that cycle :lift:
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Second week of recovery phase.

Supprisingly no drop in strength even managed a slight increase in BB shoulder press and Shrug, weight is fluctuating around 90 - 91 kg so no real drop in weight either (diet had been a bit poor towards the end of last week as well).

Looking forward to restarting (woo hoo! for the 4th of july)


Tuesday second week of recovery phase

Back

only started doing these last week, added another 10 kg (bodyweight plus 30 kg)

V bar pull downs went up 5kg aswell

weight still hovering slightly above 90 kg still up 1.5 kg (3.3 lbs) feel a bit tighter round the middle.


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Wednesday (only 4 more days)

Chest today and managed a 2.5 kg increase on bench press and did about a 6 inch rck press at 220 kg for three.
got to incline dumbell presses at 50 kg and managed 3 sets of 8, but was a bit more of a struggle (maybe because of the previous 2 exercises)

so strength gains still up and climbing (am still amazed at the increases ??????????)


Thursday, legs.

First time doing fairly heavy squats for a while (used knee wraps), managed 160 kg for 5 going down to just parrallel, 120 felt easy for 8 reps, so leg strength is maintaine (probably slightly up really)

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