samurai69

Just a couple of questions again

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Liver Toxicity of Dianabol

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The 17 alpha-alkylated properties of methanedienone do make it liver toxic, but this, I believe, is overstated as most of the evidence of its toxicity comes from studies on individuals and not from studies on large groups of dianabol-using bodybuilders. One study on rats (1) showed that regardless of dose or time of administration, dianabol produces changes in enzymatic activity, which leads to hypertrophy of hepatocytes; which basically shows that dianabol is toxic to the liver. But in another study (2) Nerobol (Russian Dianabol) was found to favour a rapid normalisation of functional and metabolic disorders of the liver, which contradicts the earlier evidence. This shows that the whole idea of dianabol being dangerous is in no way as bad as some would make out. .

The above was taken from an article posted by "johnny bravo over at hardgainer"

So my question is

In terms of liver toxicity, how would taking 15mg per day of dianabol, compare with drinking 1/4 of a litre of red wine or 2 pints of beer per day. So that i can understand the direct comparison

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Firstly a dose of 25mg or more commonly causes water retention. It is well known that dianabol does aromatise quite easily, and most of the water retention is usually attributed to a build up of excess estrogen. However, it is my belief that initially water retention is caused by the body holding on to water due to the effects of dianabol on the body's mineral balance, in particular the potassium/sodium balance. This coupled with the fact that dianabol cause estrogenic side effects, leads to a lot of water build-up, and as there is little we can do about the change in the bodies mineral balance, the only other thing we can do is try to reduce aromatisation, usually with Nolvadex (tamoxifen) or other anti-estrogens. This is not the only method though, by reducing the dose, less of the drug will aromatise, which leads to less estrogen and more importantly less water retention. Reducing the drug during a cycle would lead to estrogen levels dropping slowly, so we should start the cycle with a lower dose of 10-20mg each day. Splitting the dosage when you are using a low dose is virtually pointless, as you will get a much smaller peak of the drug. So in this case it is best to take it in a single dose in the morning (preferably with grapefruit juice). Although this will not prevent suppression of natural testosterone, it may lessen it to a certain degree, as your body will still have lengthy periods later in the day when there is little testosterone circulating, and so it may still produce some.

Also taken from the same article

So on my 15mg per day, am i better off taking all 3 in the morning, or as others have said splitting the dose 3 times through the day.

And what does the grapefruit juice do




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Aftershock

The first question is Inpossable to answer really but in all reallity 15mg ed isnt going to cause you any problem at all even if you were taking for an extended period.

If you are only taking 15mg I would take them all at once it the morning to coinside with your natural peak in testosterone, so for at least some of the day your hpta has time to recover, kind of along the lines of the am dbol bridge (you can do a search for info on this) the grapefruit juice increased the absorbsion of the dbol, so theoretically you get maybe the same effect of say taking 20mg (I plucked from thin air purely as an example) when in fact you are only taking 15mg.

The other option would be just to pop the whole 15mg about an hour before training, it can boost you agression levels considerably this way.

Or you could split the dose but i think this would be pointless with only 15mg.

Id try option one this time, see how you get on. Then try option two next time and compare the two.

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samurai69

Thanks AfterShock

Are there any pain killers i should avoid whilst taking dianabol ,
Aspirin, paracetamol, Ibuprofen

Will Antihistamine be ok to take

Aftershock

I've taken painkillers and antibiotics while on dbol with no problems.

Not taken Antihistamine but I would ASSUME that would be ok as well.

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samurai69

Cheers mate

Cheater2K

IMO, 15mg maybe a waste of time taking, unless your useing it as a bridge?

Im not sure if this is correct but ive been led to belive by rule of thumb, 50mg d-bol is like a shot of vodka on the liver?

Although, personaly, if i was taking d-bol, id still split it thoughout the day to try and keep blood levels as constant as possible.

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Just read my post, and yeah, if its 15mg, yeah maybe all in one go to get the best peak (im going by if you were to use mroe eg 35-40 maybe 50mg)

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injasuti

Hi Samurai. Interesting posting. I'm in my seventh week of a first D'bol-only cycle, and I can only say that I am very pleased with the results so far. I've gained about 8 Kg, and feel bigger than ever before (I know - a lot of it water!!!). I've had no noticeable side effects, other than some water retention, and feel great. Have a doctor's appointment in two weeks to have my liver enzymes checked, just in case.

My cycle comprised:

tapering over three weeks from 3 tabs (15 mcg) ED D'bol up to 10 tabs (50 mcg) ED by the middle of the fourth week, and I'll continue with this until the end of week 8. I take five tabs at 7 in the morning, and five again at about 1 o'clock in the afternoon.

take mostly 1 tab (20 mcg) Nolvadex ED, just in case
take 1 tab (25 mcg) Proviron ED
also take (as always) a multitude of minerals and vitamin supplements, L-Glutamine, LIV-52 and Milk Thistle (against liver damage), lots of protein, Tribulus, etc., etc.

It's all gone very well, and I have noticed significant gains - I know a lot of it is water, and that it will fall off once I go off the cycle, but I'm hoping that at least half of it will remain, especially if I do a good PCT (Clomid and Nolvadex)

BTW I also drink a lot of water (4 to 6 litres a day). And, while I've been on the cycle, I've taken Aspirin and antihistamines without any trouble.

Hope this helps.
Good luck, and let us know how it all goes.
Cheers,
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samurai69

Has anyone heard similar

so if i went out on a saturday night and had six shots, that would be the equivelant of an average d-bol cycled week (50mg ed)






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samurai69

Thanks for that, how long was the 15mg day part (1/2/3 weeks??), what did you feel see different during that part of the low dose part of your cycle?

did you take all 3 tabs at once?

I have nolvadex on hand (though i shouldnt need it at that low a dose) and have started taking milk thistle already.

Captain Hero

So is 15mg in the morning, all in one cool? or spaced out throughout the day? What you reckon Chef?

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Personally Cap, if I was using just dbol I'd space it as evenly over 8 hours each as I could, so basically 5mg every 8 hours each day.

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Your natural test is lowest in the morning though?

I would take it all in one go or atleast 2/3 > 1/3 split so that you get a boost when you are at your lowest and your body is then left to make its own towards the evening / tea time.

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this is of interest

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catdian.htm

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hahahahah thats funny, don't tease these guys like that

test levels are highest in the morning

actually test levels are highest when insulin levels are lowest aka in the morning.

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