Lorian

As the basis for a beginner cycle, both test enanthate and sust seem to be popular choices ..

As i understand it the pros (+) and cons (-) of each are listed below, anyone able to add to these? (and please correct me i'f i'm wrong on any of them!)

sust @ 500mg p/wk

+ fast acting
+ less likely to experience sides compared to test enanthate
- painfull jabs
- harder to keep blood levels stable
- sus flu

VS

test enanthate @ 500mg p/wk

+ blood levels more stable
+ relatively painless


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Raven

Some of those aren't exactly true

sust @ 500mg p/wk

+ fast acting (it's not unless you jab it ED, otherwise it can take 3-4 weeks to kick in fully

+ less likely to experience sides compared to test enanthate (IMO opinion this is true, gyno seems to be more likely with eth but this may vary from person to person)

- painfull jabs (the jabs are sore to start with but you soon get used to them

- harder to keep blood levels stable (true)

- sus flu (myth, you can get cold/flu type symtoms which you first start a cycle, this can happen with any AAS not just sust)

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Cheater2K

I agree with raven there 100%

Test E would be prob the better one for 500mg a wk, and sust for 750mg a wk.

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I love test enanthate,painless and less frequent injections - first test i got real good gains from

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Mr T

i like both - will be using sus next cycle..

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Raven

Cyp is still my favourite

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Great White

Sust is my favourite, next to Cyponate.

Strenght and Mass gains from Sust are unbeliavable.

imho for you 1st cycle Lorien i would def use Sust

It is harder to keep blood levels stable, but for a 1st cycle you dont need to worry about this to much, because your receptors are fresh anyway, so you are gonna gain mass like a mad man regardless.

Raven is right in saying Sust flu is a myth, you can experiance flu like symptoms from any cycle containg test.

This would make an awsome 1st cycle for you mate:

WK 1-4bol@40mg ED
WK 1-8:Sust@500mg (frontload 750mg)
WK 8-11:Winny@50mg
WK 11+: Clomid

Run Nolva @ 20mg EOD during weeks 1-4 then you probabbly wont need it for the last 4 weeks, but keep it on hand just in case

You could also run Deca@400mg WK 1-8, if you wanted, but this is not nessicarry.

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Mr T

damn that portugese stuff is very dear - nearly twice the price of Karachi, its looking like the Karachi for me next..

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Great White

?? Changed your mind mate ??

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CONDOR

personally i think you will be hard to find a better product than testex, other than that it has to be Enanthate and then prop and suspension, i don't like sus it is on my list as a 'DIRTY' product and anyone who thinks or does suffer from acne should steer clear IMHO.

Ronzoid12

I would go with enathate if it were 250-500mg/week. But when I bump up to 750 I think i will jsut do sust so i can keep my blood levels more stable.

Mr T

ah mate i disagree on the dirty product (sus), if u suffer from acane then most tests will bring it out on you, its just cause its made in pakistan and not europe that people would say its dirty etc, ive had absoultey no probs with karachi sus/iran test in the past, funny enoughi only really got acne on 1 cycle out of 5 and that was using testex..lol..

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CONDOR

I only ever use prop now as that is the test that i can control my acne on, it's no longer an issue really due to accutane but whith quality products like testovis why risk using a less than equal product.

Mr T you emplying i'm racist you cheeky sod, i don't dislike Sus because it's from pakistan, LOL it's becasue i've seen film of how it's made and how the oil is stored, Clinical products are exactly that they are made in very very clean and hygenic places, example-Testovis, Paki sus is not, not by along shot and to entertain calling a clinical product would be a bad move, is the High BA there to dissolve the Test or to ensure sterility, to be honest i believe it's the latter, explaining why people complain of pain when using Karachi but never comlaining when using Egyptian or Portugese.

Mr T

see your point mate, but ill stick to it cause its cheap as chips compared to port sus..

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CONDOR

fair play mate after all i have shot the cheapest crappiest gear into myself with the highest BA content......ummm T-400 takes you 6 moths to recover from and a lifetime to break down the calcium buildup around the injection site.