medici999

what would the advantages and disadvantages be of each?

am i right in thinking...tren e and test e would need to be run longer than prop and ace?

also..less water on prop and ace but more jabbing

thanks

hilly

well the enanthate esters would take longer to kick in in theory. that should be the only difference.

the ester doesnt effect the amount of water you hold.

using prop and ace means every other day injections so more scar tissue etc.

mick_the_brick

Short cycle = short esters..

Longer cycle = long esters..

medici999

okay thanks...so realistically theres no real difference in results?

MASSIVEMONSTER

stop asking stupid questions you cnut

medici999

there not stupid questions.

hackskii

Great answers.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes, only the ester is diffrent and that only changes how fast it gets in and clears the body.

Only other issue might be with tren caugh more likely with the acetate.
Other than that the longer esters tend to have less mg per ml than the shorter esters.

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Come on bro, it is against board rules to name call.

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Tinytom

If Hackskii hadnt got here first then you'd be banned mate.

Abuse of this kind is blatant and not allowed.

Please refrain from using such terminology, if you cant then please just dont post on the threads that annoy you.

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Medici - Yeah I am sorry bro, just got a bit crazy for a minute... The giraffe keeps barking and I am getting annoyed with it and took it out on you. Sorry.

medici999

thanks for the replies guys...that answers my question.

MXD

I hold more water on test e regardless of diet.

Al Kerseltzer

Other than that the longer esters tend to have less mg per ml than the shorter esters.[/QUOTE]

I thought it was the other way around??
for example (in my experience) test prop rarely comes stronger than 100mg/ml yet cyp and enth are typically 250mg/ml

also tren ace is often 75 or 100mg/ml whereras tren enth ive seen 150mg/ml

miller25

Test E and Tren E is a good stack. I prefer this as I only use long esters. Depends what you feel comfortable doing.

hackskii

Oh, sorry, I worded that wrong.
Yes, the shorter esters tend to be lower mg per ml due to them not being able to stay in suspension at the higher mg per ml.
So, yah, ml per ml total mg would be higher with the longer ester.

Copy and paste:
Chemical Formula

Molecular Weight

Mg of Testosterone
Testosterone (no ester)
C19 H28 O2 288.4 100mg

Acetate
C2 H2 O 42.1 87.26mg

Propionate
C3 H4 O 56.1mg 83.72mg

Enanthate*
C7 H12 O 112.2mg 71.99mg

Cypionate
C8 H4 O 124.2mg 69.90mg

Decanoate
C10 H18 O 154.3mg 65.15mg

Undecanoate info not availible
*Data Extrapolated from another formula (may not be exact)

So, 250mg of enanthate is not 250mg of active compound, unless there was no ester attached then it would be 250mg.

Ester Number of Carbon Atoms
Formate 1
Acetate 2
Propionate 3
Butyrate 4
Valerate 5
Hexanoate 6
Heptanoate 7
Enanthate 7
Octanoate 8
Cypionate 8
Nonanoate 9
Decanoate 10
Undecanoate 11

Approximately each carbon atoms is equal to a half-life of 1.5 days.

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