Injection Problems (Winny) - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

**Great White** · 24-09-2003, 09:04 AM

Hello all

Having real problems injecting this Winstrol.

Firstly it seem as though my body does not want the pins to go in!

Im not joking, it really really hurts pushing the pins into my leg and also takes a good 20 seconds to get them all the way in!

Once in, i cannot move the plunger to get the winny into my muscle.

Ive done Glutes and quads and it is a real struggle to push the plunger.

Last night i did left quad, excrutiating pain getting the pin in, then i had to put all my pressure onto the plunger to get the winny in, and of course cause of the pressure i was putting on it, when it did decide to move, the whole lot shot into my leg VERY fast which was even more painful.

I notice with the winny it can go slighlty "frothy" so does this mean there may be too much air in the syringe?

Any advice on this would be cool. I have done 5 injections (5 days) now and each one is getting more painful and aqward?

Thanks

Raven · 24-09-2003, 09:48 AM

What size of pin are you using and you are shaking the amp well before opening?

CONDOR · 24-09-2003, 01:42 PM

exact same 2 questions i would ask, size of pin and did you shake the vial, 10ml GL? winny can settle in the barrell, is GL water or oil based?

Raven · 24-09-2003, 01:55 PM

Oh it's GL winny

Haven't used it but I would say that it's going to hurt and be hard to inject as is 100mg/ml as opposed to 50mg. Even Zambon winny has been known to clog the pin and I know that when ttokkyo were making 100mg/ml lots of people had similar problems.

Keep us updated on the GL stuff Paul as Zambons are going out of production it will soon be the only winny left. I'm not really happy about using an underground lab, water based drug as water based are more likely to breed bacteria.

**hackskii** · 24-09-2003, 04:18 PM

Is it scar tissue from repeated site usage? I had a friend that did the glutes and his glut was massive scar tissue.

CONDOR · 24-09-2003, 06:43 PM

There are other options to GL stuff, never used it, i'm really cautious about using GL stuff for some reason but i am absolutely dying to use their cyp and eq in my next cycle and i really really hope that their masteron is the real deal!!

25-09-2003, 03:59 AM

drink that shhhit......

Biker · 25-09-2003, 01:27 PM

Mate having trouble getting the pin in is nothing to do with the gear so I've no answers there other than scar tissue. of course water won't give the same lube on the pin as oil based will.

What gauge pin are you using? 25g pin can be a problem with the winny particles jamming I normally go for a 23g with winny, all the US labs winny have had problems with jamming so I would suspect GL will cause the same problems.

I know many have concerns about GL gear and I can understand the reasoning behind. But I can honestly say that I've never had an infection from any UG lab gear ever! I've used just about all the GL and BD range and I've even used some IP gear and I've never had any trouble with anything.

Having said that GL Cyp and prop OUCH!

Really I don't know why people buy UG cyp - Iranian Enath is close enough to the same ester life and the UG stuff doesn't work out enough cheaper for me to justify it's use.

EQ and Tren are a different matter really they're not available in any form other than UG so you don't have a choice, but IMHO if human grade is available it should be the first choice for anyone, then after that UG gear is the second choice for the more exotic products we can't get.

So far the Masteron appears ok Condor but really it's hard to know unless I was taking nothing else with it, and the test and a-50s will hide the reality even if it was doing nothing!

I've rambled on a bit sorry about that guys

**Great White** · 26-09-2003, 08:57 AM

Ramble away biker!

Im answer to your Questions, i am using 22g pins (same as i always use) and yes, i am shaking the amps.

Is GL 100mg/ml? so each amp i am actually injecting 100mg Winny not 50mg like i thought i was?

I think i have been finding it hard to push the pin in because my legs and buttocks are firming up a lot now, from the use of my new gym.

Still cant work out why i cant actually push the plunger tho, i had the same problem again last night.

GL Winny is Water based Crondor

Thanks for your support guys

Biker · 26-09-2003, 09:34 AM

Shouldn't be a problem with a 22g... are you sure you're not tensing the muscle slightly without realising? make sure you have the muscle fully relaxed,

I think it's 50mg per amp.

I've had Zambons jam before half way through a shot, I always aspirate slightly when it jams, this normally sucks the offending particle back into the syringe body and then the fluid will move again.

CONDOR · 26-09-2003, 01:40 PM

Crondor......Piisssshhh.

GL kicking out winny in AMPS?

**hackskii** · 27-09-2003, 06:10 PM

Hey have you tried to inject it back into the vial and see if it is hard to inject? Just a thought. This might tell you if you have a problem with the gear. I still think it is because of scar tissue from repeated site injections. I had a friend that used the side delts alot and he had alot of scar tissue. Oh well, good luck anyway.

Biker · 27-09-2003, 07:17 PM

yep they are doing amps of winny mate. Come 10 amps to a box held in little plastic trays.

CONDOR · 27-09-2003, 07:33 PM

Tasty, like their occasional batches of tren, tasty.

Alan · 28-09-2003, 01:22 PM

I would say a mixture of both, scar tissue build up especially since your at the end of your cycle and winny since its water based it wont lubricate the needle like oil and plus the crystals in it can cause problems especially if the one you're using is double the dose per ml.

24-09-2003, 09:04 AM	#1 (permalink)
Great White Sexy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,249	Injection Problems (Winny) Hello all Having real problems injecting this Winstrol. Firstly it seem as though my body does not want the pins to go in! Im not joking, it really really hurts pushing the pins into my leg and also takes a good 20 seconds to get them all the way in! Once in, i cannot move the plunger to get the winny into my muscle. Ive done Glutes and quads and it is a real struggle to push the plunger. Last night i did left quad, excrutiating pain getting the pin in, then i had to put all my pressure onto the plunger to get the winny in, and of course cause of the pressure i was putting on it, when it did decide to move, the whole lot shot into my leg VERY fast which was even more painful. I notice with the winny it can go slighlty "frothy" so does this mean there may be too much air in the syringe? Any advice on this would be cool. I have done 5 injections (5 days) now and each one is getting more painful and aqward? Thanks __________________ Welcome to Uk-Muscle.co.uk "I was born perfect, and just like the great white shark, have never had to evolve!" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Hardcore Bodybuilding & Powerlifting Community! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Bodybuilding & Sports Video Sharing Community!

24-09-2003, 09:48 AM	#2 (permalink)
Raven Hardcore Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Bowery Posts: 849	What size of pin are you using and you are shaking the amp well before opening? __________________ To find what was lost you must first go back to the beginning and find it again To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. http://www.ucw.biz/

24-09-2003, 01:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
Raven Hardcore Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Bowery Posts: 849	Oh it's GL winny Haven't used it but I would say that it's going to hurt and be hard to inject as is 100mg/ml as opposed to 50mg. Even Zambon winny has been known to clog the pin and I know that when ttokkyo were making 100mg/ml lots of people had similar problems. Keep us updated on the GL stuff Paul as Zambons are going out of production it will soon be the only winny left. I'm not really happy about using an underground lab, water based drug as water based are more likely to breed bacteria. __________________ To find what was lost you must first go back to the beginning and find it again To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. http://www.ucw.biz/

24-09-2003, 04:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,185	Is it scar tissue from repeated site usage? I had a friend that did the glutes and his glut was massive scar tissue. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

25-09-2003, 01:27 PM	#8 (permalink)
Biker Part of the UK-M furniture... gathering dust in the corner :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 3,807	Mate having trouble getting the pin in is nothing to do with the gear so I've no answers there other than scar tissue. of course water won't give the same lube on the pin as oil based will. What gauge pin are you using? 25g pin can be a problem with the winny particles jamming I normally go for a 23g with winny, all the US labs winny have had problems with jamming so I would suspect GL will cause the same problems. I know many have concerns about GL gear and I can understand the reasoning behind. But I can honestly say that I've never had an infection from any UG lab gear ever! I've used just about all the GL and BD range and I've even used some IP gear and I've never had any trouble with anything. Having said that GL Cyp and prop OUCH! Really I don't know why people buy UG cyp - Iranian Enath is close enough to the same ester life and the UG stuff doesn't work out enough cheaper for me to justify it's use. EQ and Tren are a different matter really they're not available in any form other than UG so you don't have a choice, but IMHO if human grade is available it should be the first choice for anyone, then after that UG gear is the second choice for the more exotic products we can't get. So far the Masteron appears ok Condor but really it's hard to know unless I was taking nothing else with it, and the test and a-50s will hide the reality even if it was doing nothing! I've rambled on a bit sorry about that guys __________________ -- Biker To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. \| To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. \| To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

24-09-2003, 01:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
CONDOR Gym Addict Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 269	exact same 2 questions i would ask, size of pin and did you shake the vial, 10ml GL? winny can settle in the barrell, is GL water or oil based?

24-09-2003, 06:43 PM	#6 (permalink)
CONDOR Gym Addict Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 269	There are other options to GL stuff, never used it, i'm really cautious about using GL stuff for some reason but i am absolutely dying to use their cyp and eq in my next cycle and i really really hope that their masteron is the real deal!!

25-09-2003, 03:59 AM	#7 (permalink)
newbie99 Guest Posts: n/a	drink that shhhit......

26-09-2003, 08:57 AM	#9 (permalink)
Great White Sexy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,249	Ramble away biker! Im answer to your Questions, i am using 22g pins (same as i always use) and yes, i am shaking the amps. Is GL 100mg/ml? so each amp i am actually injecting 100mg Winny not 50mg like i thought i was? I think i have been finding it hard to push the pin in because my legs and buttocks are firming up a lot now, from the use of my new gym. Still cant work out why i cant actually push the plunger tho, i had the same problem again last night. GL Winny is Water based Crondor Thanks for your support guys __________________ Welcome to Uk-Muscle.co.uk "I was born perfect, and just like the great white shark, have never had to evolve!" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Hardcore Bodybuilding & Powerlifting Community! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Bodybuilding & Sports Video Sharing Community!

26-09-2003, 09:34 AM	#10 (permalink)
Biker Part of the UK-M furniture... gathering dust in the corner :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 3,807	Shouldn't be a problem with a 22g... are you sure you're not tensing the muscle slightly without realising? make sure you have the muscle fully relaxed, I think it's 50mg per amp. I've had Zambons jam before half way through a shot, I always aspirate slightly when it jams, this normally sucks the offending particle back into the syringe body and then the fluid will move again. __________________ -- Biker To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. \| To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. \| To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

26-09-2003, 01:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
CONDOR Gym Addict Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 269	Crondor......Piisssshhh. GL kicking out winny in AMPS?

27-09-2003, 06:10 PM	#12 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,185	Hey have you tried to inject it back into the vial and see if it is hard to inject? Just a thought. This might tell you if you have a problem with the gear. I still think it is because of scar tissue from repeated site injections. I had a friend that used the side delts alot and he had alot of scar tissue. Oh well, good luck anyway.

27-09-2003, 07:17 PM	#13 (permalink)
Biker Part of the UK-M furniture... gathering dust in the corner :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 3,807	yep they are doing amps of winny mate. Come 10 amps to a box held in little plastic trays. __________________ -- Biker To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. \| To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. \| To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

27-09-2003, 07:33 PM	#14 (permalink)
CONDOR Gym Addict Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 269	Tasty, like their occasional batches of tren, tasty.

28-09-2003, 01:22 PM	#15 (permalink)
Alan Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 51	I would say a mixture of both, scar tissue build up especially since your at the end of your cycle and winny since its water based it wont lubricate the needle like oil and plus the crystals in it can cause problems especially if the one you're using is double the dose per ml. __________________ Can't think of a siggy yet

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