Waterfalls

Hi,

I am about to start my 1st cycle and thought I'd share my experience with anyone looking to do the same. Firstly let me say that I am serious about bodybuilding and have been lifting now for nearly 4 years. I have sorted my diet and fully researched many different steroids and side so I have not taken this decision lightly. I am 27 years old, 6ft and weigh in at a hefty 12 stone... well perhaps not that hefty ha ha!

In the last 3 years I have put on 2 stone and I am naturally quite skinny. Unfortunately over the past 6 months my gains have tailed of and I am stuck in a bit of a rut. I really enjoy lifting and the buzz it gives me and got into it as a way of getting of class A drugs which were screwing up my life at the time. Now I am looking to push on a bit further!

My 1st Cycle:

30mg Winstrol everyday for 4 weeks.

I will be taking every precaution to protect my liver even though it is a small and very short cycle but this is just a trial and I am not expecting to become Arnie overnight, or ever in fact. So I am also taking Liv-52 for liver protection, Glucosamine Sulphate and cod liver oil (for joints), plenty of Cranberry juice (again for liver), and the usual multivits.

I will also be taking Pro-v's from the 14th day for 21 days.

As for PCT... there will be none. 'There is no real use for Clomid or Nolva post-cycle for Winny specifically since there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause negative feedback' sourced from http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catwinstrol.htm among other places.

I am doing this cycle purely as a test to put my mind at rest before I try and source a test cycle. Also Winny was all I could source because I have always worked out at home so don't have many friends who are interested in bodybuilding although I think I still would have opted for a simple oral cycle for a 1st time tester.

My workout plan is as follows:

Mon - Chest & Abs

1- Bench Press Flat - 10 warm up, 10,8,6
1- Crunches Weighted - 25,25,25
2- Bench Press Decline - 10,8
2- Decline Crunches Weighted - 25,25,25
3- Bench Press Incline - 8,8
3- Leg Raises - 25,25,25
4- Dumbell Flyes Incline - 10,8,6
Finally For a good stretch...
5- Dumbell Pullovers 10,8,6

Tue - Back and Shoulders

1- Deadlift - 10 warm up, 10,8,8,6
1- Lateral Raises 10,8,6
2- Military Press 10,8,6
2- Bent Over 1 Arm Rows 10,8,6
3- Shrugs 10,8,6
For final stretch...
4- Supermen on floor or Back Hyper Extensions

Wed - Off (Cardio Biking)

Thu - Legs and Abs

1- Squats 10 warm up, 10,8,8,6
1- Leg Raises 25,25,25
2- Calf Rasies 20,18,15
2- Crunches Weighted 25,25,25
3- Leg Curls 15,12,10
3- Decline Crunches Weighted 25,25,25
4- Leg Extensions 18-15-12
For Stretching
4- Lunges with light weights

Fri - Biceps & Triceps

1- Barbell Curls EZ Bar 10,8,8,6
1- Dips 10,10,10
2- Decline Tricep Extensions 10,8,6,6
2- Dumbell Curl With Twist 10,8,6
3- Preacher Curls 10,8,6,6
3- Overhead Tricep Extensions 10,8,6
4- Tricep Pulldowns 10,10,10
4- Hammer Curls Light 10,10,10
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Any advice or help on this cycle or my next planned test cycle would be greatly appreciated. Please don't just tell me a Winstrol cycle only is pointless or a waste of money as I have read lots of the advise in previous threads and found it very helpful but also decided upon this oral cycle as a starting point.

Thanks in advance for any help given... I will keep the post updated with my progress for anyone looking at doing a similar starting cycle.

d4ead

winny still shuts you down mate so while theres no aromatisation there is still a cause for pct.
Theres no need for adex or nova in cycle true but id still advice a pct.

The damage to the liver is very exaggerated theres no real need for the liv52's just drink the cranberry thats all you need.

personally id swap shoulders and legs around, as i cant manage another pressing move the day after chest.

Great set up mate look forward to seeing your results.

Nothing wrong with winny its a great bit of gear, you will get good strength gains on that, and its in your system very fast.

You may need a little more then 30mg just see how you get on, i need about 40 - 50 to really gain out of it.

d4ead

or do chest and shoulders then back and abs,

Tasty

Don't think you'll feel much, if anything off 30mg of Winny.

DaveI

50mg is what iv been told ? that right?

Goose

Yar! 50mg you want to be aiming for.

d4ead

its his first cycle i think he'd feel it a bit, i found I felt 30 on my first cycle and anything over 50 was a waist but defo 40 - 50 was needed to get a real kick from it.

In hindsight i wish id started at 40 or 50 and stuck to that. while i appreciate its just a tester, you will never have the chance to gain like this again, no other cycle will be as effective as your first. So its best to get it as good as you can.

My honest advice would be go for 50 as there are very few side effects from winny. Only one i ever noticed was joint pain and that didnt kick in till after the 6 week mark.

Waterfalls

Thanks for the reply D4ead. I have tried doing chest and shoulders together but really struggled with shoulders if I did chest first and vice versa. I have never thought about swapping legs and shoulders around and agree that chest then shoulders is not ideal and due to the pressing action I am always shagged after doing Military press on a Tuesday. I'm not sure though if doing dead's then squats is going to be any better... sounds a bit intimidating but f**k it I might give it a go.

As for the winny, this is just a tester cycle and I appreciate it is quite pointless but it was all I could do if you know what I mean.

Thanks again

Waterfalls

Thanks everyone else... do you think I need to up dose then??? Also would you recommend PCT (Nova or Clomid?) with a winny only cycle?

d4ead

i think you should go for at least 40, preferably 50 a day.

As far as the pct goes its down to you. I have done winny cycles with no pct and still gained. However your bollox still shrink and you still get shut down, to me that means a pct would help.

I agree with the dead lift and squat thing. why not just do the squats part of your leg routine on the Thursday. its always fun trying to come up with a routine that works..

could you swap tuesday for friday?

hehe needs work or something will lag.

Waterfalls

If I swapped Tuesday for Friday it would sort the chest problems but I would then be overdoing Triceps. Might go back to working out chest and triceps together and swapping things around. That's the fun though... eh!

paulo

howd the winny cycle go-update?

Waterfalls

OK an update...

Got into my 4th day on Winny and started suffering with very stiff painful knees. They didn't really hurt when I moved them just whenever they were still and felt like they had been fused together with concrete. They made a nasty clicking/grinding noise throughout the whole movement which I guessed wasn't particularly good.

I seems unbelievable after such a short time but true. I have always had a bit of a rough time with my knees anyway so this might not be the case for everyone who takes Winny. On a more positive note I could definitely feel the Winny working as my chest and ABs had started tightening up nicely and I already felt stronger although the latter could just be a mental thing.

I had been taking all the recommended joint and liver sups so I guess that Winny just doesn't agree with me, or my knees don't agree with it. I am now moving onto a course of Anavar instead as this doesn't seem to have the same problems associated with it. I will let you know how I get on but all the people who said "Winny only is pointless, test only for beginners" maybe knowledgeable but are also slightly ignorant (no offence). I think different things work for different people and I was definitely noticing the effect of the Winny and never expected to put on a stone in solid muscle.

Hope this helps anyone looking to do the same, I have read many stories and spoken to people who have not had any joint problems with Winny so we are all different.