Thread: Low Dose Anavar Only Results

Originally Posted by UKWolverine

Weight in fasted state and just boxer shorts 73.2kg. Not such a big gain after all although I am losing body fat which is my goal. I also look much bigger in the mirror so I am very happy how thinks are progressing.

I'm actually looking forward to my leg workout today now my strength has increased!

looking better is more important than the weight you are...

Are you splitting the 30 mg mate? I have started my first cycle of these today (50/day) and planning on splitting 30 with my morning shake and then 20 with dinner

Also what lab are you using? if you arent allowed to say on here - can you PM me?

Finally, in your OP you mention stimulants - can you let me know what the abbreviations are? EC = Eph and Caffeine? and what was the other one? Do you take these seperately from your Var?

Will follow this closely - and good work on the progress so far

Hi I've actually decided to up dose to 40mg because I've heard you get diminishing returns after 6 or so weeks so I've worked out I can run for another month at 40mg/ed with my current stock. I am taking 20mg first thing and 20mg with evening meal.

Yeah EC is Eph and Caffeine, YC is Yohimbine and Caffeine just because I want to give my adrenals a break from the Eph for a couple of days. I take one dose with the var in the morn, another dose pre workout (I work out early afternoon) and another pre 4pm. I find the EC cuts my carb cravings and increases the appetite suppression associated with var so it's good for my goals.

Good luck with your cycle plym30, i'm in the strength sweat spot now and it's great, did back and biceps yesterday and I managed 3 sets of 8 unassisted chins which for me is a massive improvement. Couldn't do much on the lat pull down after however!

Planning on blasting my shoulders today on my push split, lets see how that goes!

Originally Posted by PHHead

I think Pscarb new that you would come back and say this lol, you are still making good progress for such a low dose though mate as Var is not a bulking steriod so keep up the good work!

Thanks for your support.

Originally Posted by Pscarb

looking better is more important than the weight you are...

Couldn't agree more.

That's a great post and great results. I was considering Anavar but due to the cost and the easier availavility of test-e, my current cycle (which I started today) is going to be test-e. Anavar interests me a lot though so keep us posted...

Originally Posted by UKWolverine

Hi guys, I'm currently 18 days in to a cycle of 30mg ed Anavar only and have seen some great results so far.

Stats

5' 7"
31
Currently 77kg up from 72kg
Body fat around 11%
Been working out 3 years to different intensities.
No cycle history

I've been stacking the Anavar with 10g/ed Creatine Mono and taking the Var with grapefruit juice.

Plan on running Nolva 20mg ed for 2 - 4 weeks for PCT

Supplements

Creatine Mono (As mentioned), Liv52, Omega 3, Glutamine, Multi Vits, Green Tea Extract, Trib & ZMA

Stimulants

5 days 3 x EC, 2 days 3 x YC

Sides

Appetite Loss, Insomnia (ZMA has helped), Greasy Nose (Witch Hazel fixes that) and have started to feel a little lethargic which could be first signs of mild suppression or just the intense workouts catching up with me. Labido is still good but could be thanks to the Trib.

Diet

Calorie deficit. Clean high protien, carb tappering towards end of day, complex carbs am, glucose post workout, whey protien pre and post workout. Pretty typical stuff. One cheat day a week. No alcholol.

Workouts

Classic Push, Pull, Legs split in 6 - 8 rep range, 4x week. HIIT cardio 3 x week.

Goals

To maintain the muscle I have while getting more cut. I don't really want to be any bigger than I currently am, just to look asthetically bigger by being leaner.

Results so far

Reduction in lower back fat! Also visceral fat seems to have noticably dropped as my ab vacuums demonstrate. My muscles seemed to have evened out a little, always have had issues with my inbalanced shoulder vs chest development and have noticed a move to a more balanced musculature. Hardening of muscles. Have more visable cuts. Pump and vascularity post work out is very good. Starting to see strength increases. Recovery improvements.

Conclusions so far

This low dose of anavar seems to be working really well for me, could be genetics as my father was always very muscular but he was working in heavy manual labour where I sit on my **** at a computer all day.

Questions

1. My original plan was to run an 8 week cycle at 30mg ed, would it be beneficial to up the dose and finish the cycle earlier, say up to 40mg for 4 more weeks or 50 mg for 3 more?

2. Would it be more beneficial for me to move to a full body routine whilst on as fat loss and muscle preservation are my goals.

3. Would it be worth trying a keto diet whilst on?

All help and advice would be much appreciated.

Originally Posted by pds999

That's a great post and great results. I was considering Anavar but due to the cost and the easier availavility of test-e, my current cycle (which I started today) is going to be test-e. Anavar interests me a lot though so keep us posted...

If your goals are bulking then test e sounds like a good choice. For me the fact that i've lost my love handle fat which I've battled with for so long makes the var costs worth it and then some, let alone all the other benefits of increased strength and the repartitioning of lean mass.

A very knowlagable person said that 10mg anavar can be run year round with no shut down but there will still be anabolic enhancement. Obviously havent tried it my self but i dont doubt the guy....

Originally Posted by Con

A very knowlagable person said that 10mg anavar can be run year round with no shut down but there will still be anabolic enhancement. Obviously havent tried it my self but i dont doubt the guy....

That's very interesting, I guess it could be used to stave off catabilism if you wanted to add some more intense cardio in to the mix. 10mg is similar to the clinical dose for AIDS patients and burn victims, well it would be for someone of my weight. For me the recomposition effects and strength increases are the exciting reward for taking this compound.

Talking of strength, did my push day, shoulders are a sticking point for me strength wise so couldn't push as much as I originally planned but I absolutely cained triceps, PB on pushdowns and french press and felt that my close grip push ups could keep going.

I did notice elevated blood pressure today though, got a head rush when getting up from push up superset so that could be another side creaping in, will monitor it.

Originally Posted by UKWolverine

If your goals are bulking then test e sounds like a good choice. For me the fact that i've lost my love handle fat which I've battled with for so long makes the var costs worth it and then some, let alone all the other benefits of increased strength and the repartitioning of lean mass.

My goal at present is bulking yes but for my next cycle Anavar may serve me better as my goals then may be to maintain strength and size and aim to cut some fat. Whether Anavar is really capable of that is up for debate and I have read studies either way and many more knowledgeable on here than me will say it won't help fat loss at all. But I may still give it a go in the future.

Yeah there is a lot of conflicting views on the fat burning benefits, all I can say is I've noticed positive effects in areas where I am genetically predisposed to store fat and where I've never been able to shift it. I am in a calorie deficit, carb tapering, and doing HIIT so it could be that which is causing the stubborn fat loss, in combination with the var keeping the muscles growing. Which is probably more likely. There are some compelling research studies to say that anavar does have a fat burning effect however.

Just saw this and thought it would be worth adding to this thread...

By WRONGUN @ Sculpted by Iron

Why is Anavar not Liver Toxic?
Anavar does not contain a C-17 alpha alkylated ion which makes it extremely safe and non-toxic to the liver. It also does not easily convert to estrogen like other steroids
As for toxicity of 17aa the only report i have to hand at the moment but will dig out more is:


From research conducted by Michael Mooney that this is particularly well noted with HIV patients who have been using Oxandrin, another brand name for oxandrolone Anavar is much less liver toxic than other 17-alpha alkylated steroids, probably because it is primarily metabolized outside of the liver, when metabolized, and much of it is excreted unchanged. At higher doses it can increase liver enzyme values, there seems to be no evidence that any cytotoxicity exists, as is the case with other 17-alpha alkylated steroids.




Anabolic Steroids and the Liver

Anabolic steroids are processed by the liver. As discussed earlier, C-17 alkylated oral steroids (steroids with an alkyl group added at the alpha position of the "C-17" or number 17 carbon atom of the molecule to withstand total degradation on their first pass through the liver [see Steroids 101 section above]) are unusually harsh on the liver. For this reason, even moderate short-term administration of these C-17 oral steroids can effect liver function test readings. Elevated liver counts indicating liver stress (toxicity) have been reported in recent studies of somewhat moderate oral anabolic steroid therapy (daily doses of 40 and 80 mg of oxandrolone [Oxandrin, formerly Anavar]) as reported in the online periodical Medibolics, edited by Michael Mooney (www.medibolics.com). However, these elevated liver function readings will return to normal after cessation of a moderate, short-term steroid cycle. I could find not one case to the contrary. Further, it is recognized that intense weight training alone often causes changes in liver function tests, including SGOT, SGPT and LDH (this is something that all physicians monitoring athletes using anabolics should be familiar with).

The more serious liver problems attributed to anabolic steroid use include hepatocellular carcinoma (liver cancer) and peliosis hepatitis (blood-filled sacs within the liver). But the majority of cases reporting liver problems have dealt with extremely sick and elderly patients treated with C-17 alkylated oral steroids for years of continuous use, and many of these patients had a particular type of anemia linked to liver tumors even without anabolic steroid therapy. A computer search of the medical literature looking for steroid-associated liver tumors could find only three in athletes (Friedl, 1990). Of the three athletes, one was using 700 mg of oxymetholone a week for five straight years, and one had a tumor more indicative of classic liver cancer than of steroid-associated tumors. Virtually all of the reported liver problems seemed to occur with the 17 alpha-alkylated oral steroids. There have been no cysts or liver tumors reported in athletes using the 17 beta-esterified injectable steroids (Wright & Cowart, p. 61). It has been noted that injectable steroids generally appear to have little effect on the liver at all (Haupt, 1993, p. 469).

Recent studies continue to suggest that reports of serious adverse effects of anabolic steroids upon the liver in healthy athletes may be highly overstated. In a study of athletes, of the 53 current or past steroid users who underwent laboratory testing, only one subject displayed an abnormal liver test (Pope & Katz, 1994, p. 379; incidentally, on physical examination, not one user displayed evidence of any major abnormalities possibly attributable to steroids, such as high blood pressure, edema, acne or hair loss.) Another study tested one of the most powerful and reputedly dangerously toxic anabolic steroids for 30 weeks on HIV positive men and women (Hengge et al.). Oxymetholone, formerly known as Anadrol in the U.S. and a C-17 alkylated oral steroid, was administered in a dosage of over 1,000 mg per week (more than that used by many bodybuilders, and for a much longer duration of uninterrupted use). The results were significant gains in lean muscle mass -- even without any weightlifting. Even more importantly - and surprisingly -- there were no significant problems with liver function, water retention, or virilization side effects (it will be interesting to see whether further studies yield consistent findings at such high dosages).

While the dangers of anabolics to athletes' livers appear to have been highly exaggerated, it must be recognized that an apparently healthy athlete with a previously existing but undiscovered liver problem could do serious damage to himself by self-administering C-17 oral anabolic steroids. For this reason alone, it would be quite irresponsible for any athlete to use anabolic steroids without having a physician regularly conduct blood tests to monitor liver function.

Interesting stuff, I definitely remember reading that Anavar was one of the least liver toxic orals.

Interesting experience today, was legs and abs day. Hit the HIIT on the treadmill before and after workout and I've now got a full body pump! Has anyone else experienced this with HIIT and Anavar?

I guess the increased heart rate has pumped a lot of oxygenated blood around my systems but I wasn't expecting an upper body pump on a leg day?!