Mattchew100

Hi guys thinking of running clen for 2 weeks at doseages up to 120mcg starting at 20mcg. then 2 weeks of the clen and onto t5s for 2 weeks?

or possibley t5's on there own? or partner the clen up with cytomel.

i will be doing lots of cardio and diet sorted.

cheers

Mosford

Have a read of the following link

http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/steroid-t...omel-noob.html

Mattchew100

cheers mate i have cycled clen and cytomel before had some good results but i wasnt really hitting the cardio as much as i should, so would you recomned 2 weeks on clen 2 weeks off and then 2 weeks on cytomel 2 weeks of, over the eca stack/t5's?

ba baracuss

You don't really want or need a lot of cardio if running clen and T3, certainly compared to ECA/T5s anyway.

The former pretty much burns fat on its own, whereas the latter pretty much doesn't and is essentially just a stimulant and appetite suppressant.

Personally, after reading what I have done on UKI about clen killing heart cells, I won't be touching the stuff anytime soon.

Mattchew100

so you would say clen is the more potent fat burner of the 2? but eca is safier lol

ba baracuss

Basically, yes.

I see ECA as a cardio aid when on low carbs or as a general workout stimulant - I don't think ECA actually burns much or any fat, whereas the other two are more powerful.

Mosford

While I agree that Clen and T3 are not drugs to be messed around with, if your basing that statement on the scientific research done with mice and Clen then I think for clarity's sake it's worth pointing out that the dose that the mice received far exceeded the dose that humans take.

If you are referring to another study then if you could post up a link I would love to have a read!!

ba baracuss

Yes it was based on a study done on rats.

It killed the rats from heart failure, so it's reasonable to assume that it's not going to do our hearts much good either.

This is a relevant quote regarding your point:

'You may reason that the research animals got megadoses of clenbuterol and that the lesser doses athletes use wouldn’t have the same effects—but that’s just wishful thinking. According to something called Kleiber’s law, the animal dose of clenbuterol is equal to a human dose of five to six tablets. So the same side effects could be expected. In addition, because of the extended time that clenbuterol takes to degrade in the body, it could build up and have cumulative effects.'

It's a sticky at UK Iron so join up there if you want to read the whole thing. I'm not sure what their positon is as regards copying and pasting material from there elsewhere so I won't paste any more.

Mosford

The previous studies I have read have all used vastly increased doses of Clenbuterol on rats, first study that came to hand is:

Jatin G. Burniston, Yeelan Ng, William A. Clark, John Colyer, Lip-Bun Tan, and David F. Goldspink, Myotoxic effects of clenbuterol in the rat heart and soleus muscle, J Appl Physiol, Nov (2002); 93: pp1824 - 1832.

http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/93/5/1824

Their data show "significant myocyte-specific necrosis in the heart and skeletal muscle of the rat", but the dose used in there study was 5mg / kg of body weight. Using myself as an example, I'm currently weighing in at just under 100kg, that would be the equivalent of me consuming 500mg (500000mcg) of Clenbuterol, which is over 4000 times the dose of my current cycle maximum daily dose of 120mcg.

I've had a quick read of Kleiber's Law, which I was unfamiliar with, my simplified understanding of the rule is that although a human may outweight an animal by a set factor (x), it does not mean the humans tolerance to substances will be greater by that same factor (x), while science is not my strongest area I do believe that the human bodies tolerance will be vastly greater than that of a rat but perhaps maybe not to that set factor (x).

Thanks for pointing me in the direction of your article, I will give it a read, knowledge is power!!

Reps to you!!