pbul2004

reduces endogenous T3 levels. I have been doing a lot of reading into the above cycle, i am thinking of doing this cycle for my next one. I am currently in PCT after my Test E 500mg 10 week cycle. So i am looking to research and find my next cycle to start in 4months or so to give my body time to recover. I was thinking: -

- Test P 150mg EOD for 10 weeks
- Tren Ace 75/100mg EOD for 10 weeks
- PCT 4 days after last jab test p.

The reason i have chosen the above is because of the potential fat burning properties of tren ace and the none or little bloating of test p compared to test e and both are fast acting.

I have also read the addition of Anavar may be of benefit (if it wouldnt make much of a difference i think this can be skipped due to cost). Also the use of T3 as i have read that tren reduced endogenouse T3 levels

This will be my 2nd cycle, any thoughts would be appreciated.

Cheers

pbul2004

anyone?

wigz

I have run that cycle for 6 weeks with tbol but personaly i wouldn't run it for ten weeks its far to many shots for me.
Have you had decent gains of the test e? if so why not run that again?

mick_the_brick

If you are planning on running 10 weeks - personally I would use long estered meds...

I tend to stick with short estered meds for 6 / 8 weeks tops TBH

pbul2004

Would the above cycle for 6/8 weeks be ok rather than 10weeks? And add in tbol??

I had good gains from the test e, i have a progress log with pics on here somewhere.

But the reason i was looking into tren and test p was that the gains are lean (along with diet) and it helps burn fat. I found on test e i got quite alot of water retention and bloat.

This was probably down to my diet as well tho, but i finished my cycle at 94kg and now the bloat has gone im 90kg. I started the cycle at 83kg so i had good gains, just looking for that step up for lean hard size.

LukeVTS

how many cycles have you run before mate?

LukeVTS

Sorry, just re read your post. I wouldnt use tren for a second cycle. Why not try maybe adding deca into a test cycle? Or Boldenone?

GHS

I like the look of the cycle mate but tren ace isn't for you om a second cycle TBH.

I'd add in deca at 200mg a week alongside 500mg of test.

Possibly look at an oral such as dbol at 30-50mg a day for the first 4 weeks as a kick start...

The cycle you have suggested is fine after you get a few cycles under your belt first mate. The tren won't burn any more fat than an extra cardio session a week would or an adjustment to diet. Don't go straight onto tren because you think it will help you burn fat mate.

Tren is a very advanced and respected drug and should be used carefully.

However if you do decide to run the cycle, drop it down to 8 weeks and see how you go.

Good luck mate

GHS

pbul2004

Thanks for the replies. If you guys think that tren isn't for a 2nd cycle, im happy with that as you have far more experience than me and i dont want to dive in at the deep end so ill leave the tren for a future cycle.

I am looking for something that wont give me as much water retention and bloat, i have read dbol will do this.

I am kind of thinking of the following now.

Test E 250mg Weeks 2 - 11 (Or 500mg test e?)
Equipiose 250mg Weeks 1 - 10

Or

Test E 500mg Weeks 1 - 10
Decca 200mg Weeks 1 - 10

Duno if it would be worth kick starting either cycle weeks 1-4 with dbol or tbol?? What you guys think and which one would be better to go for?

mick_the_brick

That's what I would recommend TBH

pbul2004

ok thanks.

Would Priviron be needed to run throughout or best with some adex?

PCT of clomid and nolva similar to what im doing now after my test e cycle?

LukeVTS

Proviron has better uses than to stop gyno, its not very good at that, but helps. PCT osunds good.

pbul2004

i have been reading about the Proviron and it sounds good to take with a test cycle, aids in fat loss, increases the amount of testosterone and providing a hardened and better look to the muscles.

The adex i was taking with my test cycle and i found this stuff to be great. I bloated up alot on cycle and was worried but this stuff got rid of all of it. So i think adex is a must for my cycle.

Just wondering if i could include both adex and Proviron in there, and how it should be run...If needed?

ba baracuss

Mate just to clear up the bloat issue - bloat comes from 2 things:

1) Aromatisation of test/dbol into estrogen or similar compounds. This is one reason why women have softer physiques. An AI will help here.

2) Diet - too many carbs means more water retention, also sodium has a similar effect.

The main point here being don't expect adex or proviron to stop diet related bloat.

I would just stick with plain test and eat less carbs.

pbul2004

yeah i know this from my previous cycle, i have learned from that as i was on a bulking diet. My next cycle i wont have as much carbs! I just read that Proviron would aid with diet to give a leaner harder look to the muscles.