The Fertility Thread (includes old posts from previous)

[jonti1leg]

this is definatly going on my subscribe items.... althoug ive only been using a few months, my wife and i are trying to conveive again..."babydancing" as she calls it at all the right times, testing with ovulation kits etc. i am worried that even my short term use of AAs will have impacted on my nads and sperm etc and although quite mild doseges i have been taking, can see noticable difference in my appearence. i am hoping that this thread will give me the info that can re-boost my sperm etc (although i have not had it tested yet ! ! male pride i think at the mo) ive heard that HCG and CLOMID should boost things back up to normal, along with Tribulis. But dont take that as advice, just what i heard and am hoping to get some good advice from here.
SUPERCELL..thanks for posting...ive been thinking bout posting something for a week or so but as you say...touchy subject for some...Genuine good luck to you and anyone else in the same predicament. Jon

[gettingbigger]

Good topic this.

I will let you knwo my experience about this.

I have used on and off for around 10 years and have competed.

I decided I wanted to know how much damage I had done to myself as I wanted to start a family with my lass.

I knew it would be bad as she had never caught so I went to the docs and asked to be tested.

Well the results came back and they were bad.

I was told the average male has around 20 million sperms, I had 1 million.

The average male has around 50% of these that are fully working and strong swimmers, so about 10 million healthy ones. I only had 5% ( so around 50,000).

The doc told me that with only 50,000 instead of 1,000,000 swimmers, I had very little to no chance of conceiving naturally.

I was recommended to start ivf.

I have aksed for a re-test in 6 months, as I am off all meds now.

I am 4 months off thus far, and my nads are loads bigger.

My sex drive has also slowly returned so I am crossing my fingers.

I used some clomid at the start but decided to not use anything, as I did not want to mess with my axis any mor ethan it was already done, flipping it one way then the next.

As for being off, it`s cak!

I will be watching this thread and following it closely.

[danimal]

surely you only need to get some sperm going mate then you could have it frozen that way if you strugggeld to get the girl pregnant normally or you needed to go back on gear for your career they could use artificiall insemination or summin?

[paulo]

you only need two for ivf as they fertilise two eggs and usualy implant two embrios- not always successfully unfortunately i can tell you

[sbeast007]

my wife and i are trying for our second child at the moment...she concieved on our first child just over 4 years ago when i was trying out my first sust cycle.
ive been on and off gear for the last 4 years not really paying alot of attention to pct, following some pct but not fully.
i came off a enanthate 1gweek and eq 500mg a week cycle at the beginning of november maybe just b4.
i started on the multivit tabs, zinc and fish oils and made sure that i had taken them everyday as i usually forget.
ive also just completed a short course of proviron at 50mg a day for around 20days and have just ordered some clomid to see if that helps.
we did a fertilty test the other night to see wot that had to say and according to the test which they say is 97% accurate my result was that i was producing under the norm of 20million per ml of sperm.
im feeling pretty low at the moment even tho we havent been tryin that long (3-4months) i feel as if ive been selfish in some ways for taking steroids knowing full well it could affect me in this way. and now im concerned that i may not be able to give her what she really wants.

[sbeast007]

got mine from here mate
http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/malefertility.htm

[brownie]

I to will be keeping an eye on this.

my wife and i have been trying for 5 years on and off. however i have only done a couple of short cycles during this time. our problems are misscarriges, 8 miss's to be exact, so getting pregnant has not been a problem.

But we have done every test known to man, and all results have come back normal, including my sperm count. the last time i done a sperm count was 3 years ago, and i had finished a 10 week cycle of sust 750mg p/w and deca at 400mg p/w. 8 months before i got the test done.

But we are going to embark on IVF in the summer, so i have finished a 10 week cycle of test-e 1000mg p/w this week, and i will be doing an aggresive PCT of HCG, Clomid, Nolva and Provorin, and i will be getting my sperm count done in 8 weeks time.

I am hoping to get a better result than you as i have not been on as long, but now i am a little more nerve's

We have decided on IVF as a last resort, so my wife can be monitored and be given steriods to help her hold on to th pregnancy.

I hope you do not think i am hijacking your thread, but rather than starting another one, if you don't mind i will also post my results in here...

[Pscarb]

Originally Posted by Robsta

I think Paul S had a similar situation but got through it ok....if i remember right

Originally Posted by supercell

Yes I am hoping Paul will offer some words here as I know he went through the same process a couple of years ago.

yes i did go through this same thing in 2005/6 me and my wife was trying for our second child since nov 04 with no luck, after my showing at the NABBA Britain in 2005 i came off steroids and promised my wife i would not go back on until we had been successful in conceiving a child.....(did not think it would take 11months though ) i had my bloods done and found my main levels for conceiving to be very low Test was 3.3 and FSH was unreadable.
i began a normal PCT thinking this is what was needed to get the boys back in shape unfortunately at the time i was uneducated like a lot about PCT and it took me from the May until the following December to start to recover using the typical methods you found on the boards....

i was referred to a endocrinologist in Jan 06 after the normal lecture he said i should look into proviron as this is what is prescribed to help with sperm and i should be concentrating on this than raising my test levels......
at the beginning of Feb i started to use 250mg+ of proviron ed i had a sperm test when i started this treatment i had motility issues with a sperm count of under 20million after 4 weeks my sperm count went up to just under 80million and my motility was excellent......
approx 6 weeks after this my son aiden was conceived...

these days you have drugs such as HMG to help with these issues but in my opinion time is the best drug for recovery.....hope this helps james you are a good mate you and Nik deserve kids....

Originally Posted by flexwright

can I ask do you have any regrets on what you have done?

i know this was aimed at James but the only regret i have is i never had my second child sooner than i did.....

[Pscarb]

Originally Posted by POWERPANTS97

However this thread, and the problems had by others posting in it begs the question how effective is the HCG and clomid style PCT?

PP97.

PP - you have to see that recovering the HPTA and increasing sperm count, motility etc can be separated you do not need high levels of test or to be fully recovered to have a decent sperm but of course it helps...

a person with a fully recovered HPTA might have a low sperm count or abnormal sperm heads/motility this is where proviron would help a great deal....

i think for James his priority is to begin recovery so that some sperm is produced then after this stage concentrate on the sperm side when it comes to medication as time off will recover the HPTA on its own....

HCG and clomid are useful how useful depends on the extent of shut down...

James it was a months gap between my first and second sperm test and they quadrupled in that time with proviron there is nothing to say high dose of proviron may start the lads to get swimming

[POWERPANTS97]

Originally Posted by Pscarb

PP - you have to see that recovering the HPTA and increasing sperm count, motility etc can be separated you do not need high levels of test or to be fully recovered to have a decent sperm but of course it helps...

a person with a fully recovered HPTA might have a low sperm count or abnormal sperm heads/motility this is where proviron would help a great deal....

i think for James his priority is to begin recovery so that some sperm is produced then after this stage concentrate on the sperm side when it comes to medication as time off will recover the HPTA on its own....

HCG and clomid are useful how useful depends on the extent of shut down...

James it was a months gap between my first and second sperm test and they quadrupled in that time with proviron there is nothing to say high dose of proviron may start the lads to get swimming

Yes i understand that Pscarb, however i have only ever used HCG the once and did not like it. Made me feel crap TBH mate. Not to say it doesn't work for some but.....

For my PCT these days i use a whole host natural methods (i put together my own stack of supplements/herb extracts etc and use that. Tamoxifen or the like is the only chemical i will use for blocking estrogen receptors).

I must say at this point i utilize short cycles never any longer than 6 weeks, more often than not 4 weeks. Cycles are well planned out.

Since using my 'chemical free' PCT over the last couple of years I have had 2 ex-gf's pregnant (1st one had a termination as she did not want kids, against my will i must add...the second was lost early on in the term due to certain reasons). So surely a natty form of PCT is just as effective if not more so at restoring HPTA fucntion as well as the other associated areas.

PP97

[MXD]

A usefull bit of info for you guys is that eating organic foods double sperm count

[Pscarb]

Originally Posted by sbeast007

did the doctor prescribe that high dose of proviron mate?
or did u self medicate?

self medicated but got the idea from my endo...

Originally Posted by POWERPANTS97

Yes i understand that Pscarb, however i have only ever used HCG the once and did not like it. Made me feel crap TBH mate. Not to say it doesn't work for some but.....

For my PCT these days i use a whole host natural methods (i put together my own stack of supplements/herb extracts etc and use that. Tamoxifen or the like is the only chemical i will use for blocking estrogen receptors).

I must say at this point i utilize short cycles never any longer than 6 weeks, more often than not 4 weeks. Cycles are well planned out.

Since using my 'chemical free' PCT over the last couple of years I have had 2 ex-gf's pregnant (1st one had a termination as she did not want kids, against my will i must add...the second was lost early on in the term due to certain reasons). So surely a natty form of PCT is just as effective if not more so at restoring HPTA fucntion as well as the other associated areas.

PP97

it sounds like it works which is grea, not sure it would with someone really shut down but you never know...
can i ask how did you run the HCG as i have never been an advocate of high doses but smaller doses of 500 - 1000iu's e3-e5day

[mindmuscle]

Originally Posted by POWERPANTS97

For my PCT these days i use a whole host natural methods (i put together my own stack of supplements/herb extracts etc and use that. Tamoxifen or the like is the only chemical i will use for blocking estrogen receptors).

PP97

Would you mind sharing what you use for you chemical free pct mate??

[POWERPANTS97]

Originally Posted by Pscarb

self medicated but got the idea from my endo...


it sounds like it works which is grea, not sure it would with someone really shut down but you never know...
can i ask how did you run the HCG as i have never been an advocate of high doses but smaller doses of 500 - 1000iu's e3-e5day

Ran the HCG @ 500iu E5D PScarb. Just didn't like how i felt on it and seemed watery and my skin flared up worse than ever before!

I agree it may not work on someone who is in a state of serve shutdown but it would be an interesting avenue to pursue and see just how effective it is...i have a feeling it could help a great deal but that is just me speaking form personal experience.

PP97

[Pscarb]

Originally Posted by POWERPANTS97

i have a feeling it could help a great deal but that is just me speaking form personal experience.

PP97

personal experience in my opinion is sometimes better than scientific studies....