The Fertility Thread (includes old posts from previous)

[slype]

Originally Posted by hackskii

Sure mate, if it was me, I would start some HCG right now, and I also would be running an AI with that, estrogen is terribly supressive.
You can take some nolva with the HCG but you wont need much because the switch just briefly got switched off, so something like 4 shots of 500iu or 5 shots should be more than enough.
Nolva 20mg ED
Clomid for the two weeks too @ 100mg ED.
If it is going to work, that would get you close, if you had some HMG in there chances are it would be a bit better due to tha added benefits of the FSH (you need that for your sperm).

but if you have not pulled one off in a while the residual left over will probably work fine.
Guys that get vasectomy's still can get women pregnant till the new ejaculation fluids come down the pipe....lol

Thanks for the advice Hackskii, its been much appreciated.

[Tyronex]

Afternoon all, hope you don't mind me jumping in here. My missus and I have been trying for 10 years, 2 miscarriages, 1 ectopic later we are still trying. We have just started IVF.

Before we started IVF i had a sperm count to ensure that the problem wasn't with me. My results came back that I had a high count but with poor motility. About 65% were motile and healthy.

I started taking the following and my motility has improved in 3 months to 80% motility which is good.

Sperm boosting pills cocktail
MACA 2 x 500mg tabs once a day.
CO-Enzyme Q10 tablets - 1 x 30mg once a day
Selenium A.C.E tablets 1 tablet once a day
Garlic Pills 1 x 1200mg tablet once a day
1000mg L-Arginine once a day.

The L-Arginine and Maca also caused countless erections which helps if you are trying naturally!

Good luck fellas, of you try this I hope it works for you.

[brownie]

Slype,.. I don't mean to be rude here, but it is very selfish to be running a cycle while trying for a baby. your wife will now embark on a cocktail of drugs to shut down her menstrual cycle and then go on puragon to hyper stimulate,.. then go under sedation for egg collection, then possibly steriods to improve implantation etc, etc. you get the point.
You have a responsibility to get yourself in as good a shape as possible. it is good that you aare doing that now, and if you follow Hackskiis advise you should be ok.

[TaintedSoul]

Excellent thread here guys. And congrats to those that have succeeded in having a baby.

Just reading this extract from a male fertility test site:

A couple are considered infertile if pregnancy does not occur after 12 months of unprotected intercourse.

Now I'm assuming that is unprotected off the pill sex and trying for a baby? Not on the pill unprotected sex and shagging when the urges arises?

I've been doing two courses a year since being with my fiance and about to embark on a 6 month blast/cruise before coming off for as long as it takes to get her pregnant?

[Kazza61]

Great thread.
I too have given a committment to the Missus to stay off the gear until she is pregnant but 6 months have passed already without success (A few scornful looks coming my way though!)
I'm quite a bit older than her (48/30) and I'm sure my age, the gear (Which I used 20 years ago and then again last year) and some past years of smoking haven't helped.
To be honest I didn't really want another kid as I have one from a past marriage but it was becoming a make or break issue in this relationship so I decided it was time to stop faking the orgasms and try and make her happy.

However, as a slightly (very?) selfish aside, I wondered whether anyone has given any serious thought to any other gym enhancing agents that can be taken without affecting fertility? Clenbuterol for instance? Other recommendations? Would be interested to hear people's views.

Good luck to all in their efforts to replicate! (I guess that really is body building in it's purest sense!)

[Big Boy]

After reading the whole thread!! i jus had to come on and mail... i think this site really is a gold mine of info and would like to thank the many members who share there experiances!!! im sure the many threads and posts in, not jus this post are very personal............ but they really do go along way in helping ALOT of people!!!!!!!! well done everyone great thread great forum!!!!

[dman]

i remember reading about this study, where a guy and a girl were trying for a baby, but unsuccessfull for many years. after seeing the doctors, tests were done on the male, he had minor gyno and really low LH, anyway there doctors supposedly prescribed arimidex for a period of 3 months after the 3 month period his LH was supposedly around 15.8 and they finally found success. I havnt been to the doctors to find out if im infertile but i also have low LH and have been unsuccessfull in managing to impregnate my women, the doc sed its within the limits so its ok but if u ask me if being in the limit by .1 is ok then he's a retard. i have been thinking about self medicating a low dose of arimidex for a number of weeks and then getting blood work done. what do you guys think? should i just go to the doc's and get sperm tested? i take this subject very seriously and have been hurt many times by false hopes. any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[hackskii]

Young guys can have lower LH and nice T levels.
Older guys can have higher LH levels and lower T levels.
Those with low T levels can have higher LH levels as the body is trying to elivate testosterone, but if a man has compromised leydig cell function, the lower T levels will be present.

But, yes you are right, if estrogen is elivated it can compromise testosterone levels.

[brownie]

Puregon (FSH) + Luveris (LH) + Decapeptyl (GhRH)

my wife and I am in the middle of IVF treatment at the mo.

these are some of the drugs that will be left over. Does any one know how one could use these drugs as part of a PCT or possibly during a cycle to prevent Atrophy.

I found this artical on puregon and if my computer stops crashing i will read up on the others

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Top Abstract Materials and Methods Results Discussion References

A multicenter, open-label, randomized efficacy and safety study was performed with combined human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) and recombinant follicle-stimulating hormone (recFSH) (Puregon®) treatment to induce spermatogenesis in hypogonadotropic hypogonadal male patients. Patients were pretreated for 16 weeks with hCG to normalize testosterone levels. A total of 30 of 49 (61%) subjects had normalized testosterone levels but were still azoospermic after the hCG-alone phase. These patients were randomized into 2 treatment schemes with recFSH (2 x 225 IU recFSH per week [group A] or 3 x 150 IU recFSH per week [group B]), in combination with hCG for a period of 48 weeks. Total testosterone increased during the hCG-alone period from 1.08 and 1.22 ng/mL to 6.26 and 4.52 ng/mL for groups A and B, respectively. Combined gonadotropin treatment was effective in inducing spermatogenesis (sperm count ≥1 x 10⁶/mL) in 14 of 30 subjects (47%) and this was achieved after a median duration of treatment of approximately 5.5 months. Treatment time necessary for first sperm cells to appear in the ejaculate was related to the initial testicular volume. Subjects with a history of maldescended testes (11 of 30 subjects, 37%) showed a lower mean response to treatment as indicated by the relatively lower number of subjects reaching levels of at least 1 x 10⁶ sperm cells per milliliter. Combined testicular volume increased during combined gonadotropin treatment from 11.4 to 24.0 mL. Although subjects with a history of maldescended testes had a lower starting testicular volume, subjects with and without a history of maldescended testes showed approximately the same relative increase in testicular volume. Total testosterone levels showed only a minor further increase during the combined gonadotropin treatment period. In conclusion, a weekly dose of 450 IU (3 x 150 IU or 2 x 225 IU) recFSH, in addition to hCG, was able to induce spermatogenesis in many hypogonadotropic azoospermic men who failed to respond to treatment with hCG alone.

[brownie]

This is a link to a site about Puregon (FSH), it is very interesting how this drug works. my wife has been on it for 10 days now to stimulate her ovaries to produce eggs for IVF, and it has worked very well she produced 26 folicals, a lot if you think a women only produces 1 per month.

However this drug is also very usefull for men suffering from testicular atrophy

http://www.andrologyjournal.org/cgi/.../full/24/4/604

[hackskii]

Yes, I can see how this would be of use myself.
Although not only have I not heard of these drugs, I would not know how to supplement my PCT.
The Luveris (LH) likely would not be necessary if one already had HCG, not sure about the price and we cant discuss it here but Id bet it is more expensive than HCG.

Ok, looks like recombant FSH or rFSH, the doses were 225 IU twice weekly, and 150 IU recFSH 3 times a week.
So, this is very similar to HMG which is either 75/75 LH/FSH or 150/150 LH FSH, so the dosing is the same which sounds fine to me.
So, you can use HCG and the rFSH with no problems and no doubt it will be very helpful here.

That stuff has to be expensive though....., and no doubt harder than hell to find for us gear heads.

[sbeast007]

had our 2nd scan yeterday and we found out we are having a girl lol im still abit shocked 1st time round we had a boy so we will have one of each now.

[brownie]

congrats mate, girls apparently are easier. well that is until the hit puberty..

we have just completed IVF and did a test saturday... and thankfully it was positive.. as i have said before our big problem is miscarriages and holding on to them. we are 2 weeks on from when the empryos were put back in, so we have to wait until another 2 weeks (which will be 6 weeks) to find out if it is twins or just one...

And fingers croosed we can hold on to them

[sbeast007]

congrats also then mate be keeping fingers crossed for u.
god knows how ill cope when she gets to tha age when its boys boys boys lol

[mrmasive]

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