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Old 12-02-2005, 07:43 AM   #16 (permalink)
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When used as a thermogenic aid the ratio for maximum effectiveness is .....

25mg Ephedrine
250mg Caffeine
250mg Aspirin
25mg eph
100-200mg caffeine
75-100mg aspirin

250mg aspirin 2-3 times a day will reak havoc with your stomach lining,plus low dose caffeine if far better imho as it reduces the amount of adrenalin that it stimulates hence reducing the amount of insulin the adrenalin releases as they both go hand in hand,more adrenalin more insulin more insulin harder to loose fat.

Plus you can add half a grapefruit to each dose to double the effect of the eca stack,plus many more things to double triple even quadruple the above,but then thats getting into stimulant junkie mode and theres too many bbers like that already for me to make anymore,lol.
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Cookie is it not true that the caffiens idealy needs to be 10x the amount of Eph..??

i was always taught that the addition of Asprin and Caffiene was to extend the life of the Eph....
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Cookie is it not true that the caffiens idealy needs to be 10x the amount of Eph..??

i was always taught that the addition of Asprin and Caffiene was to extend the life of the Eph....
Originally it was 8xs the amount of caf to eph thats were the 200mg came from and yes the asprin was added to extend the life but to also cut out the feedback loop so that the body could use it for longer and not need to keep upping the dosage.

But asprin is a very strong drug and docs only recomend 75mg a night for heart attack victims to help thin the blood so imagine what 250mg 3xs aday is going to do to the blood thickness and also the liver with regards to stress that put upon it not only having to cope with all the gear its processing(in most people) but the asprin/epherdrine and also its regular day to day up keep of the body.

If the grapefruit is added to the dose then the other stuff can be reduced in dosage as nrnigen in the fruit has a massive effect upon improving the uptake of the compounds,narnigen was even used/trialed to see if it could be used medically so that large amounts of medication wouldnt have to be given to patients,so making it a cost effect alternative and there wouldnt be so many side effects from large dose medications.

Now back to the caffiene just imagine the over stimulation of the adrenal system what with taking in 10xs the dose of caff-eph 3 xs daily the would equal 750mg per day or about 13 cups of regular coffee or 7.5 cups of strong expresso,coupled with all the insulin the body is going to be producing because of the large amounts of adrenaling being pumped into the body.

Your creating a massive " fight or flight" scenario

Adrenalin is released which in turn releases insulin to supply the body with sugars?energy to either 2 fight or flight"

To me this is why so many bbers burnout before shows through adrenal exhaustion and also have to take more gear/compounds than they need to to retain muscle tissue because they are fighting the wasting effects of the over production of adrenalin and then needing to use to much thyroids/GH meds to counter act the over production of the bodies over production of insulin(fat storing)
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25mg eph
100-200mg caffeine
75-100mg aspirin
1/2 grapefruit

Just to get this cleared up, you take this combo 2-3 times/day for the 2 weeks before clen 2 weeks?
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