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23-08-2003, 05:16 AM

hey, i was on this board for a while not to long ago, got great advice.... i just want to let you all know whats been going on...
july 29th i started taking dbol 30mg/day, and took my first shot of T400 which turned out to be fake... so i stayed on the dbol and the next week took my first real shot 500mg of Ara-test...but i only had one bottle and then got some cypionate... this is how the cycle goes...
weeks 1-2 dbol 30mg
weeks 3-6 dbol 40mg(bumped it up cause it doesn't effect me that strong)
week 1 400mg of FAKE t400
weeks 2 and 3 500mg Ara-test
weeks 4-9 250mg Ara-test and 200mg Cyp
weeks 10 and 11 400mg Cyp
I know its all screwy but the Fake T400 ****ed it all up! BUT, its all steady, and planned out ok now....
at the start of the third week i was at 170 1/2 LBS up from 158....so i figured its just from the dbol and the prop that is in Ara-test and the real tests haven't kicked in yet...so thats the story!!
Also, im gonna be doing Nolva for PCT instead of Clomid cause i don't like what i hear about it.... What do you all think???????

Raven · 23-08-2003, 11:21 AM

Well your cycle seems to be going well, apart from the fake T-400! Did you tell your source about it??????

I still am a firm believer that Clomid is necessary post cycle, it can give you depression and acne but not in everyone. It gives me a little depression but I put up with it for the sake of my body. I have tried Nolva post cycle and IMO it didn't work as well but still gave be some sides, like depression and blurred vision

23-08-2003, 06:20 PM

the T400 i bought in mexico, so no one really to question

but yeah, people tell me mixed things about nolva and clomid... some say, yeah nolva is just as good if not better...some say oh no, you need clomid for sure...so it is matter of opinion and personal experience...im probly gonna try using clomid and Nolva just so i have to use less clomid....

winger · 24-08-2003, 01:25 PM

I took clomid 4 days after my last shot but all the reading I have done with tests and charts they say nolva is better. I felt depressed 2 weeks post and the levels dropping and the clomid, depression was major. So I took hcg 2 1/2 weeks after my last shot and they say that I should have taken it around the last shot but with the hcg, I went from about a 10 in depression to about a 5 for about two days after the first hcg shot. I dont know alot about gear but I think you should have taken a anabolic with the androgenic.

24-08-2003, 07:27 PM

anabolic with an androgenic? Test/dbol is one of the best cycles to do....

Raven · 24-08-2003, 08:01 PM

D-bol is Anadronic and anabolic, but adding a good anabolic like deca or EQ would certainly help

24-08-2003, 09:28 PM

but also this is my first cycle, so i don't want to be doing dbol/test/and Eq or deca, cause i want to see how i respond to which one.... i really should of done test only, but i didn't... if i would of added deca, lets say, and gotten gyno, i wouldn't know if i got the gyno from deca or the test or the dbol and the treatment for deca gyno is different than others....BUT for my next cycle, im gonna be doing dbol/Test/EQ....im excited about EQ

winger · 24-08-2003, 09:31 PM

Yea some say tess some say dbol both are adrogenic. Yes anabolic is eq and deca. I for some reason think that the anabolic will help you keep the adrogenic gains more. Deca is so long lasting that it seems like you you can keep your gains and still have your levels come back. I am 7 weeks post and lost nothing, except the water. You arent going to make the big gains doing an anabolic by itself. That is what I did. But I did put 50 pounds on my bench.

**hackskii** · 25-08-2003, 07:25 PM

First of all Deca does not give you the gyno. From what I have read the androgenics give you that. Some people get it and some people do not. But I would have nolvadex handy, just in case. I would take the tess with the eq and dont do a long cycle. Dont forget the clomid at the post cycle.

Mr T · 25-08-2003, 07:32 PM

deca can defiantely give u gyno mate..

**hackskii** · 25-08-2003, 11:41 PM

Deca only aromatizes (converts to estrogen) in extreme dosages. It is highly anabolic but only moderately androgenic. Nandrolone does not effect the immune system, unlike testosterone! It will not damage connective tissue, i.e. elbows, knees (Big problem amongst heavy steroid users). It does not aromatize easily.
Deca can be detected in the body a year after discontinued use. It has the highest probability of being conterfited on the black market! It is one of the most popular steroids on the market.

26-08-2003, 04:49 AM

deca gives gyno in a different way than the highly androgenic drungs do... that is why gyno from deca has to be delt with in different ways... nolvadex usually won't do it.... drugs like Dostinex and Bromo are used to combat the gyno from deca... I would take EQ over deca anyways... my next cycle is gonna be Dbol/Test/EQ...

23-08-2003, 05:16 AM	#1 (permalink)
newbie99 Guest Posts: n/a	Back with update! hey, i was on this board for a while not to long ago, got great advice.... i just want to let you all know whats been going on... july 29th i started taking dbol 30mg/day, and took my first shot of T400 which turned out to be fake... so i stayed on the dbol and the next week took my first real shot 500mg of Ara-test...but i only had one bottle and then got some cypionate... this is how the cycle goes... weeks 1-2 dbol 30mg weeks 3-6 dbol 40mg(bumped it up cause it doesn't effect me that strong) week 1 400mg of FAKE t400 weeks 2 and 3 500mg Ara-test weeks 4-9 250mg Ara-test and 200mg Cyp weeks 10 and 11 400mg Cyp I know its all screwy but the Fake T400 ****ed it all up! BUT, its all steady, and planned out ok now.... at the start of the third week i was at 170 1/2 LBS up from 158....so i figured its just from the dbol and the prop that is in Ara-test and the real tests haven't kicked in yet...so thats the story!! Also, im gonna be doing Nolva for PCT instead of Clomid cause i don't like what i hear about it.... What do you all think???????

25-08-2003, 07:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 29,648	First of all Deca does not give you the gyno. From what I have read the androgenics give you that. Some people get it and some people do not. But I would have nolvadex handy, just in case. I would take the tess with the eq and dont do a long cycle. Dont forget the clomid at the post cycle. __________________ Power over others is weakness disguised as strength. Scott

25-08-2003, 11:41 PM	#11 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 29,648	Deca only aromatizes (converts to estrogen) in extreme dosages. It is highly anabolic but only moderately androgenic. Nandrolone does not effect the immune system, unlike testosterone! It will not damage connective tissue, i.e. elbows, knees (Big problem amongst heavy steroid users). It does not aromatize easily. Deca can be detected in the body a year after discontinued use. It has the highest probability of being conterfited on the black market! It is one of the most popular steroids on the market. __________________ Power over others is weakness disguised as strength. Scott

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23-08-2003, 11:21 AM	#2 (permalink)
Raven Hardcore Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Bowery Posts: 845	Well your cycle seems to be going well, apart from the fake T-400! Did you tell your source about it?????? I still am a firm believer that Clomid is necessary post cycle, it can give you depression and acne but not in everyone. It gives me a little depression but I put up with it for the sake of my body. I have tried Nolva post cycle and IMO it didn't work as well but still gave be some sides, like depression and blurred vision

23-08-2003, 06:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
newbie99 Guest Posts: n/a	the T400 i bought in mexico, so no one really to question but yeah, people tell me mixed things about nolva and clomid... some say, yeah nolva is just as good if not better...some say oh no, you need clomid for sure...so it is matter of opinion and personal experience...im probly gonna try using clomid and Nolva just so i have to use less clomid....

24-08-2003, 01:25 PM	#4 (permalink)
winger JW's Left Hand Man! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern California, USA Posts: 14,646 Blog Entries: 1	I took clomid 4 days after my last shot but all the reading I have done with tests and charts they say nolva is better. I felt depressed 2 weeks post and the levels dropping and the clomid, depression was major. So I took hcg 2 1/2 weeks after my last shot and they say that I should have taken it around the last shot but with the hcg, I went from about a 10 in depression to about a 5 for about two days after the first hcg shot. I dont know alot about gear but I think you should have taken a anabolic with the androgenic.

24-08-2003, 07:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
newbie99 Guest Posts: n/a	anabolic with an androgenic? Test/dbol is one of the best cycles to do....

24-08-2003, 08:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
Raven Hardcore Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Bowery Posts: 845	D-bol is Anadronic and anabolic, but adding a good anabolic like deca or EQ would certainly help

24-08-2003, 09:28 PM	#7 (permalink)
newbie99 Guest Posts: n/a	but also this is my first cycle, so i don't want to be doing dbol/test/and Eq or deca, cause i want to see how i respond to which one.... i really should of done test only, but i didn't... if i would of added deca, lets say, and gotten gyno, i wouldn't know if i got the gyno from deca or the test or the dbol and the treatment for deca gyno is different than others....BUT for my next cycle, im gonna be doing dbol/Test/EQ....im excited about EQ

24-08-2003, 09:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
winger JW's Left Hand Man! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern California, USA Posts: 14,646 Blog Entries: 1	Yea some say tess some say dbol both are adrogenic. Yes anabolic is eq and deca. I for some reason think that the anabolic will help you keep the adrogenic gains more. Deca is so long lasting that it seems like you you can keep your gains and still have your levels come back. I am 7 weeks post and lost nothing, except the water. You arent going to make the big gains doing an anabolic by itself. That is what I did. But I did put 50 pounds on my bench.

25-08-2003, 07:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mr T Looking Freaky Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 707	deca can defiantely give u gyno mate..

26-08-2003, 04:49 AM	#12 (permalink)
newbie99 Guest Posts: n/a	deca gives gyno in a different way than the highly androgenic drungs do... that is why gyno from deca has to be delt with in different ways... nolvadex usually won't do it.... drugs like Dostinex and Bromo are used to combat the gyno from deca... I would take EQ over deca anyways... my next cycle is gonna be Dbol/Test/EQ...