big

Well personally I'm not a fan of pro hormones. M1T is extremely strong though, and will require more than trib for recovery IMO. Also, you'll need to run liver protectants, as it is liver toxic.

If you had good results from them last time however and didn't get sides, just run the same again - why mess with what's working?

Predator

Hey bro,

It's nice to see someone listen and have a re-think. Well done mate! ;)

I think your suggested cycle was probably a bit too much for a first. No need to complicate things first time. You could have just gone with a safe oral only cycle.
Read up on steroids, PCT and what you need to take to help prevent bad side effects.
I also have to say, look at your diet etc. Yes it's boring but very important. A good diet really is key! I had to say that or Jimmy will smash me up!! :axe:

If you stick around and try to learn from this board, you will gain much knowledge. I know I have.

As for the pro hormones. Bad news dude. I'm sure the 1-ad stuff is banned now. :boohoo: If anyone agrees or thinks I'm full if sh1t, please say. I'm not up to scratch on those.

Good luck Super,
Predator

supernoodle

1ad are banned now mate

supernoodle

any suggestions on liver protectants and could one cycle do a lot of damage because if it can then all the musce in the world is not worth a dodgy liver, ijust thought that pro hormoans are waterd down legal versions of roids and preditor mate i appriciate the advice but 1ad might have just been banned but roids have been banned a lot longer and ive allways been told not to take oral to take the injections instead whats your take on this big?

big

For liver protectants, run Milk Thistle at a gram a day and rALA in a decent dose. These are both available OTC.

Running orals - steroids OR prohormones, result in the risk of liver problems. Of course, there are side effects with any steroids (some extremely mild and unlikely, and some extremely strong). I personally am not a fan of running large dose orals. I would rather see someone run 500mg/week of test enan for 10 weeks than run a 35-50mg/day dbol-only or M1T-only cycle. Not only is it safer, but the gains are much more keepable.

That said, the liver toxicity of oral steroids are highly exaggerated. For example, a recreational drinker (which about 80% of the population probably are) is probably doing more damage to their liver than someone running an oral cycle. Also, the liver is extremely resiliant - in fact probably the most resiliant organ in your body. If it's worrying you, get your liver values tested every few weeks while on cycle.

As far as M1T goes, this is strong stuff - not watered down at all. I would be very wary of running this without having much stronger PCT in place.

But make no mistake about it - whenever we take drugs to increase muscle, we ARE putting our bodies at risk. However, I justify this to myself because it's my only vice (no smoking, drinking, recreational drugs, fatty foods etc), and being muscular is important to me.

hackskii

I want to add that there are many diffrent steroids that have readme's all over the place.
You have orals, injectables, anabolics, androgenics, fast acting esters, slow acting esters, tons of stuff to choose from.

You dont get this with pro-hormones, you have orals and some topical dermal stuff.
I think tailoring a good cycle to fit your needs with steroids make the best choice.

You probably will get more liver damage of off the M1T than a nice injectible cycle of lets say 500mg of cyp, enanthate a week.

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Predator

My honest view is that injectables are better than orals. I agree with Big on that. The reason I suggested an oral cycle is just so you can get used to being on cycle. You'll learn a lot about your self on cycle and how you cope with PCT etc. My first cycle was Winni tabs. I made good gains with that.

Yes, Oral cycles are toxic to the liver. That's why it's best to use protectants. It's not as bad as people say. I would just say, don't go past six weeks to be sure.

If you are happy with injecting and you feel you know how to safely. There is no reason why you cannot. Just be sure you learn all about it first.

Although roids have been banned a lot longer, they are probably easier to buy. Roids are still manufactured for medical reasons.

Predator

chris31

sorry mate bad choice MIT has worse side effects than most other steroids ie. severe fatigue, restlessness, loss of appetite. You will also need nolva and clomid for pct as it shuts your own system down quite severely, sorry to be bearer of bad news but u really need to do a lot of research before u commit yourself to something as harsh as MIT.

PeterTheEater

big

Usually from greece or bulgaria or somewhere where it's legal to purchase them I would think.

I would be VERY surprised if ANYONE would buy from a local source who purchases from the inflated prices over the internet, as their prices would be exceptionally high. Either that or they'd have to make sure a low mark-up, it wouldn't be worth the risk.

supernoodle

cheers lads will give it more thought

Cheater2K

If any one else recommends shopping on the internet for roids, i think ill be banning people, ive tried stressing this enough now, most if not ALL web sites which sells roids online are scammers, its eitehr fake of you wont get anything, anything which you put your credit card details it will prob leave you open to cc fraud as well. Also knowing your details are linked to a drug ring?? is it such a good idea? no

So please, stop it