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Old 15-11-2007, 09:41 PM   #106 (permalink)
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Re: short cycles

Formestane is suicide ai like exmestane --- scrap that part here, that downregulating thing was something with similar name, err :/

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Old 16-11-2007, 10:45 AM   #107 (permalink)
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Shame this guys not here to answer but I wondered if anyone would know, chefx says formestane deals with progesterone but I thought it was just an AI.

Now I understand that when dealing with progesterone, keeping estrogen low is a good idea. So this should be the answer......... but chefx has already included l-dex (a stonger AI) in his cycle protocol so why double the AI's up?

This makes me beleive he thinks formestane has some different qualities to other AI's, thoughts anyone?

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Old 16-11-2007, 03:31 PM   #108 (permalink)
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He's still around on BOI I believe mate http://www.brothersofiron.com/
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Old 21-02-2008, 04:51 PM   #110 (permalink)
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Very interesting read mate, I have all the info saved if you need drop me a PM
Can you fire it over/post it up?
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I have it too, maybe I might post it up on BOI.
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I have it too, maybe I might post it up on BOI.
Why would you post it there... that board is just for porn and smut ;)

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Can you fire it over/post it up?
25 x 17 cycle info
Now I am not putting the following information in my books and actually decided to yank all of the drug advice from my paid stuff on advice from a legal friend. Still I'll give you what we were testing out and the results were nothing short of awesome. Gains about 1 to 2 lbs a week, every week. and no loss post cycle, no shutdown of natural hormones and best of all, no nasty estrogen sides. Almost 30 people have used this to date and sent me results with everyones results being 95% identical. STILL
its only in theory and not advice of any kind ok????

Here is a section of my book, alchemy, that we pulled for legal reasons, but we can post it here for fun and entertainment lol.
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This is simply a theory for educational purposes, that we have come up with and should not be considered advice of any kind. We do not endorse the buying or selling of illegal substances. Anabolic steroids/Prescription Drugs are not to be used without a doctor’s supervision and guidance. An overwhelming amount of the younger population and even an amazing amount of the older are using Anabolic steroids and prescription drugs as recreational or performance enhancing drugs.
NOTE: Anabolic Steroids/Drugs of any kind can be dangerous to a persons health and if an individual must take these drugs, please make sure they research and have the proper medical supervision.
Note: If you are a competitive athlete using these compounds you will fail your drug test.

In theory only…
This tier (#4) should not be used unless you are following all of the above alchemy (supplementation) tiers as well as the complete Diatia (eating), the Oppurtunitas (training) and the Victus (lifestyle) regimens.

Active Cycle end (day 25) would be on the last peaking day of the training (Oppurtunitas) cycle (these are 6 week cycles).
Dosages would be an individual thing and that means they would always want to start with lowest dosage.

AAS
(orals taken 3 times a day during meals 1, 3, 5)
(injectables/transdermals should be taken morning)
(taken 25 days on 17 off then 25 days on 24 days off)
Methandrostenolone (Dianabol), (10 mg to 50 mg ED)
Oxymetholone (Anadrol), (25 mg to 50 mg ED)
Testosterone Prop, (25 mg to 50 mg EOD)
Trenbolone Acetate (Fina) (50 mg to 75 mg EOD)

Fat burning/metabolism substances
liothyronine sodium (Cytomel) T3 (10 to 12 mcg per day total),
(taken 11 days on 10 days off)
(should be taken in 3 dosages 8 hours apart on an empty stomach)
Clenbuterol Hydrochloride (Spiropent) (5 mcg to 50 mcg ED)
(taken 11 days on 10 days off tapering dosage up to day 6 and back down)
(should be taken during meals 1 & 3)

Post Cycle Recovery and anti-gynecomastia + over estrogen Prevention
(taken 32 days on and 10 days off then 32 days on 17 days off)
(should be divide into 3 dosages and taken during meals 2,4 & 6)
Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolvadex) 5mg ED (or more as needed)
Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid) 10mg ED
4-hydroxyandrostenedione (Formestane Powder) (50mg ED)
Letrozole (Femara) (.125mg ED)

Also the other supps I still discuss in my alchemy that are from tier 3:
Ecdysten - Leuzea (Rhaponticum carthamoides) (Thermo-Life)Mumie (Altay)
Siberian ginseng (Eleutherococcus senticosus) (Natures Way)
Tribestan (Sopharma)


thoughts? Questions? As I look at this I wonder if anyone can even follow my code? LOL
again its a theory only!


and another based on a question... "bit brain dead at the moment but say i wanted to stack tren and dbol. how would i do this applying the above theory?" signed
Just like it says. LOL In theory... the least I would do is...

I'd take the all of the gear 25 days on 17 off and then 25 days on 24 days off

Methandrostenolone (Dianabol) I would start by taking it at 5mg for 3 times a day during meals 1, 3, 5

Trenbolone Acetate (Fina) I would use 50 mg Every Other Day in the morning

I'd take liothyronine sodium (Cytomel) T3 12.5 mcg per day total. I would take it 11 days on 10 days off for the entire 42 days.

I would take Post Cycle Recovery and anti-gynecomastia + over estrogen Prevention for 32 days on and then 10 days off.
I'd take Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolvadex) 5mg Every Day in the morning, taken during meal 2
I would take Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid) 10mg Every Day in the afternoon, taken during meal 4
I would take 4-hydroxyandrostenedione (Formestane Powder) 50mg Every Day in the evening, taken during meal 6

Plus I would follow my eating and supplement plan not to mention the training cycles as well.
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I have it too, maybe I might post it up on BOI.

Will Chef x still discuss this stuff if you put it up? I thought he was done with the dicusion.
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Will Chef x still discuss this stuff if you put it up? I thought he was done with the dicusion.
Chef has replied with his thoughts on this over on BOI
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