Sir_Winstrol

Hello,

Background:

Im going to run my 4th cycle starting in the beginning of May. I have done a short and mild oral winstrol only cycle over 3 yrs ago. Second cycle was deca/sustanon at low dosages for 10 weeks with good results a bit over a year ago. My 3rd and last cycle was run last summer with very disappointing results. I did boldenone and Omnadren for 12 weeks (around 375 mg boldenone/wk, and 250 mg omnadren/e5d), Omnadren probably included nothing but oil, got only slight increase in strength.

My current stats are 27 yrs old, 6"2, 225-228 lbs bw (188,5 cm/102-103 kg), bodyfat is around 11-12% (realistic estimate). Benchpress PB 4 x 150 kg (4 x 330 lbs), front squat 2 x 185 kg (2 x 410 lbs), current strength levels are lagging a bit behind (especially the front squat).

My goal for the cycle is to achieve a "fluidless" and dry look for the summer, gain a few pounds of muscle and maybe losing some fat, also major increase in strength is welcome.

I have the following substances:

~35 x Sustanon 250 mg

Have both Karachi (obtained from Thailand by myself) and "Dutch" (which infact is russian, but these have worked well in the past).

2000 mg of testosterone propionate in 20 ml (if I remember correctly) multishot vial

This was of Hungarian origin, supposedly mage by Octopharm.

10 x Trenol-75 (2ml vials, 75 mg/ml) 1500 mg Trenbolone acetate

30 x Clomid, 30 x Nolvadex (20 mg, thinking of buying more) and 5000 iu HCG for PCT.

I was thinking of doing a 14-16 week cycle, will be running trenbolone for max 5 weeks since it is harsh stuff. Where should I run the tren, in the beginning, middle or end of the cycle? Can I start with reasonably low dosage of say 50 mg eod to see hwo the stuff works for me?

Is it wise to diet and cut during the cycle, since im trying to shed some fat and probably seeking to get in to 8-9% bf region? Or should I do the dieting/cutting phase before the cycle and then try to keep the same bf level during the cycle and add some serious muscle? I have quite a fast metabolism.

All suggestions of how I should run the cycle and plan the dosages are all welcome, I'd reckon I should stay well below 500 mg/vk with the testosterone, since im trying to avoid the puffy look..

Also if you have suggestions about including/replacing certain compounds for the cycle, well those are welcome as well.

LukeVTS

i wouldnt run the prop and the sustanon. they are both the same thing only differin in what esters are used. Yes you can start low, is easier to taper up with ace too as its in your system quick so you can tell how you react. Nothing wrong with cutting on that cycle mate. prop would be better for cutting than sustanon.

hilly

weeks 1-3 = test prop 100mg eod
week 1 - 11 = 750mg sust

week 5-11 = tren a 75mg won-wed-fri


week 12 start hcg at 1000iu eod for 8 shots.

then run clomid at 100mg for for 14 days then 50mg for 14 days and nolva at 40mg for 28 days.

this is how i would run the gear you have. you will need more clomid. PCT like this works for me others will suggest what works for them this is more trial and error than anything.

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Sir_Winstrol

Bump. The start of the cycle is approaching, yehaaa =) I was thinking is it too early to run the Tren Ace, since this will be my 4th cycle?

Is it O.K. to divide this kind of cycle to a bulking phase and then cutting later on, I guess that is not a bad idea since this will be a fairly long cycle (~16-17 weeks)? Should I find another anabolic compound to run alongside the testosterone after I quit the Tren? Was thinking of winstrol or Masteron, is Primobolan Depot too mild to be run after tren?

Would love to hear more opinions about the cycle!

gambitbullet

maybe keep the prop for the end of your cycle, so you can still inject while waiting to start PCT

Sir_Winstrol

Started the cycle last friday.. will be shooting sust e5d and testosterone propionate to kickstart the cycle for about 3 weeks (mon, wed, fri), will run Tren A through June 50-75 mg eod and perhaps again in August to the end of the cycle.

Weight has already gone up about 1,5-2 kg (morning weight), also felt very energetic in the gym yesterday so I guess either or both the Sust and test p. are working to some extent, I take it this is a fair assumption?

the hunter

if your shooting the sust every 5th day why not just go with a single ester test? now many one here will say it dont matter if you shoot sust every 5th day or every day ,well thats bollax ,shoting sust every 5th day CAN LEAND TO UNSTABLE LOOD LEVALS MEANING THE HIGHER POSSABILITYS OF SIDE EFFECTS.

not to be an **** here mate bit can you please explanie this

Have both Karachi (obtained from Thailand by myself) ???

karachi are made in pakistan,obtaineing them from thailand yourself dont mean ****.

Sir_Winstrol

(Constructive) criticism is always welcome. Well, I didn't have any possibility to buy enanthate or cypionate esters, so I stick to Sustanon, which I have worked well for me in the past without any major side-effects.

Nothing to explain about the Karachi Sustanons. I know they are made in Pakistan, but I have heard they are imprted from there to Thailand and sold in pharmacies, ofcourse there is the risk of running into bogus roids even when buying in pharmacies in Thailand.

I know it doesnt mean a squat, I just pointed out that I got them from Thai pharmacy

Sir_Winstrol

A little update.. looks like there is definately some propionate in either or both Test products. Today is Day 12, did 115 kg x 9,8 in incline bench press on sunday which is almost 10 kg more than before the cycle. Also Power clean max has gone up 10 kg.

Gotta love the propionate, I'm gonna include it in the beginning of every cycle from now on, dont have to wait for 4-5 weeks before longer esters start to kick in (especially boldenone undecylenate which takes ages to start working..).

Sir_Winstrol

Started the cycle a little over 2 weeks ago, bw has gone up ~2 kg and had a slight increase in strength.. but somehow im feeling so damn tired, feel like **** at the moment, feel like I could sleep all the time!

Could it be that the test prop is fake and only sus is working, will have to monitor this since im doing sus e5d, and I have felt tired 3-4 days after taking the shot of Sus, even though I have injected additional 75 mg of test p mon,wed,fri.

Either that or slightdepression, which I have had lately... feck.

Usually I have felt very energetic on a cycle. If this doesnt change im going to swap the test P to Tren A already, that might help.

the hunter

could be your body adjusting o the hormone ,a word of warning for ,if your getting depresion it was be a very silly idea to swap over to tren a mate ,itys know for its sides involeing depresion/anixity

jw007

LMFAO

where you from mate??? seaworld????

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