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**hackskii** · 30-06-2009, 02:25 AM

Yep, if the gland is there, you are not immune.

Goose · 30-06-2009, 09:13 AM

Well ive suffered from the "puffy nipple" look for years.. way back before training, steroids etc so I gather this could be gyno? but then I have had it checked out and informed it is not gyno?

jay j · 30-06-2009, 05:32 PM

"puffy nipples" is excactly the term to describe my ones. If yours are the same then they can be easily treated by some smart lipo too. You may find some glands under them too, but moslty fat. After the smart lipo the puffyness disappeared and skin become tighter. looks like a proper sculpted chest now. pecs are so much easily visible and defined, and not just after workouts.

why dont you get a consultation, i can pass u docs contact details if you wish. let me know.

Goose · 30-06-2009, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay j

"puffy nipples" is excactly the term to describe my ones. If yours are the same then they can be easily treated by some smart lipo too. You may find some glands under them too, but moslty fat. After the smart lipo the puffyness disappeared and skin become tighter. looks like a proper sculpted chest now. pecs are so much easily visible and defined, and not just after workouts.

why dont you get a consultation, i can pass u docs contact details if you wish. let me know.

Appreciate it but it really doesnt bother me that much to want to go to the extent of surgery.. I have never had any problems with the shaping of my chest either.

jay j · 30-06-2009, 05:40 PM

no worries goose, smart lipo isnt actually classed as surgery though.

Oh yeah there's some injectons that women do in clinics mesotherapy or something. they inject small areas with fat like neck etc. probably work on nipps.

dont know much about this, but it was on this morning once, and its quite popular, takes a few sessions. may well be a loud of nonsense. who knows.

jayt · 30-06-2009, 07:35 PM

has any body used the liquinolve to help to try and prevent?

**hackskii** · 30-06-2009, 09:33 PM

Nolva has been used for years to combat gyno during cycles.

Macro · 01-07-2009, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hackskii

Nolva has been used for years to combat gyno during cycles.

true, but its not really the best option. And with all the progestins and designer steroids (potent androgens and disruptors of the dopaminergic system) nolva has become more marginalized. Particularly since AI's are more effective (they actually reduce plasma estrogen) and dopaminergics offset the progestenic and prolactogenic effects of trenbolone and the many methylated designer steroids on the market.

speaking of which how is the prami treating you?

**hackskii** · 01-07-2009, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macro

true, but its not really the best option. And with all the progestins and designer steroids (potent androgens and disruptors of the dopaminergic system) nolva has become more marginalized. Particularly since AI's are more effective (they actually reduce plasma estrogen) and dopaminergics offset the progestenic and prolactogenic effects of trenbolone and the many methylated designer steroids on the market.

speaking of which how is the prami treating you?

Totally agree, there is some issues with endo's on nolva and blood clotting, I mean why treat the symptom when you can treat the cause.

Put the prami on hold, I was feeling kind of tired, I will start it back up.
I noticed I was getting weight loss from that, I gained 4 pounds after I stopped it.
I will give her another shot tonight.

LOCUST · 03-07-2009, 03:00 PM

Hackskii can you answer me something please..

i really need to get to the bottom of this for future cycles..

When ever i use a long esterd test, ie sust, cyp, enth i get gyno, nothing can control it or halt it except letro,

its reappeard again on my rebound cycle, and im using 50mg prov and .5mg adex per day aswell and that hasnt stopped it starting up and even with 20mg of nolva added, its done nothing.

for my cycle i ran short esters the whole way, of prop, tren a and mast a also added winny atthe end and had no gyno issues at all over 12 weeks.

3 weeks in to my cyp rebound and i have my usual gyno lump back !! grrr.

so what is it with long esters ? do i just need to steer clear from them ?

nick

**hackskii** · 03-07-2009, 04:42 PM

I personally dont think it matters, testosterone is testosterone the only diffrence is the delivery times from the esters.

Some factors that might influence gyno I have found was the longer cycles I take, the gyno flairs at the end of the cycle, so does my blood pressure.
Maybe it is just too many androgens for too long.

Another factor for gyno is the ratio of testosterone to estrogen, when the gear is clearing and estrogen is present, gyno can flair too.

Can you maybe the letro is not good?

LOCUST · 03-07-2009, 05:16 PM

Thanks. Letro is the only thing that shifts it. But on cycle I find it very supressive
I might wIt till I can clear it in pct then run a short ester cycle net and see if it appears
then I'll know.

ba baracuss · 04-07-2009, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOCUST

Hackskii can you answer me something please..

i really need to get to the bottom of this for future cycles..

When ever i use a long esterd test, ie sust, cyp, enth i get gyno, nothing can control it or halt it except letro,

its reappeard again on my rebound cycle, and im using 50mg prov and .5mg adex per day aswell and that hasnt stopped it starting up and even with 20mg of nolva added, its done nothing.

for my cycle i ran short esters the whole way, of prop, tren a and mast a also added winny atthe end and had no gyno issues at all over 12 weeks.

3 weeks in to my cyp rebound and i have my usual gyno lump back !! grrr.

so what is it with long esters ? do i just need to steer clear from them ?

nick

Masteron and winstrol are both highly androgenic/DHT-ish. That means they oppose estrogen which would kind of explain the lack of issues when using them.

**hackskii** · 04-07-2009, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ba baracuss

Masteron and winstrol are both highly androgenic/DHT-ish. That means they oppose estrogen which would kind of explain the lack of issues when using them.

Totally.........Nice post...
I cant rep you though.............

bkoz · 05-07-2009, 01:04 AM

Do glands under the nipple swell up?And when you ad an ai it stops the swelling.
Because thats what it feels like with me.On cycle big lumps under my nipple come up.
Then of cycle they go back down only adex settles it.Nolva does nothing.I realy think it progesterone.
Its like i dont get full gyno.Just like a swolen lump then goes.

30-06-2009, 02:25 AM	#226 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 30,078	Re: Gynecomastia-Male Breast Development. Yep, if the gland is there, you are not immune. __________________ Power over others is weakness disguised as strength. Scott

30-06-2009, 09:13 AM	#227 (permalink)
Goose If it Jiggles, It's Fat! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Essex Posts: 5,350	Re: Gynecomastia-Male Breast Development. Well ive suffered from the "puffy nipple" look for years.. way back before training, steroids etc so I gather this could be gyno? but then I have had it checked out and informed it is not gyno?

30-06-2009, 05:32 PM	#228 (permalink)
jay j Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 25	Re: Gynecomastia-Male Breast Development. "puffy nipples" is excactly the term to describe my ones. If yours are the same then they can be easily treated by some smart lipo too. You may find some glands under them too, but moslty fat. After the smart lipo the puffyness disappeared and skin become tighter. looks like a proper sculpted chest now. pecs are so much easily visible and defined, and not just after workouts. why dont you get a consultation, i can pass u docs contact details if you wish. let me know.

30-06-2009, 05:40 PM	#230 (permalink)
jay j Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 25	Re: Gynecomastia-Male Breast Development. no worries goose, smart lipo isnt actually classed as surgery though. Oh yeah there's some injectons that women do in clinics mesotherapy or something. they inject small areas with fat like neck etc. probably work on nipps. dont know much about this, but it was on this morning once, and its quite popular, takes a few sessions. may well be a loud of nonsense. who knows.

30-06-2009, 07:35 PM	#231 (permalink)
jayt its not me thats mad its the voices in my head.. Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 304	Re: Gynecomastia-Male Breast Development. has any body used the liquinolve to help to try and prevent?

30-06-2009, 09:33 PM	#232 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 30,078	Re: Gynecomastia-Male Breast Development. Nolva has been used for years to combat gyno during cycles. __________________ Power over others is weakness disguised as strength. Scott

03-07-2009, 03:00 PM	#235 (permalink)
LOCUST Gym Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: Essex Posts: 468	Re: Gynecomastia-Male Breast Development. Hackskii can you answer me something please.. i really need to get to the bottom of this for future cycles.. When ever i use a long esterd test, ie sust, cyp, enth i get gyno, nothing can control it or halt it except letro, its reappeard again on my rebound cycle, and im using 50mg prov and .5mg adex per day aswell and that hasnt stopped it starting up and even with 20mg of nolva added, its done nothing. for my cycle i ran short esters the whole way, of prop, tren a and mast a also added winny atthe end and had no gyno issues at all over 12 weeks. 3 weeks in to my cyp rebound and i have my usual gyno lump back !! grrr. so what is it with long esters ? do i just need to steer clear from them ? nick

03-07-2009, 04:42 PM	#236 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 30,078	Re: Gynecomastia-Male Breast Development. I personally dont think it matters, testosterone is testosterone the only diffrence is the delivery times from the esters. Some factors that might influence gyno I have found was the longer cycles I take, the gyno flairs at the end of the cycle, so does my blood pressure. Maybe it is just too many androgens for too long. Another factor for gyno is the ratio of testosterone to estrogen, when the gear is clearing and estrogen is present, gyno can flair too. Can you maybe the letro is not good? __________________ Power over others is weakness disguised as strength. Scott

03-07-2009, 05:16 PM	#237 (permalink)
LOCUST Gym Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: Essex Posts: 468	Re: Gynecomastia-Male Breast Development. Thanks. Letro is the only thing that shifts it. But on cycle I find it very supressive I might wIt till I can clear it in pct then run a short ester cycle net and see if it appears then I'll know.

05-07-2009, 01:04 AM	#240 (permalink)
bkoz Looking Freaky Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: london Posts: 767	Re: Gynecomastia-Male Breast Development. Do glands under the nipple swell up?And when you ad an ai it stops the swelling. Because thats what it feels like with me.On cycle big lumps under my nipple come up. Then of cycle they go back down only adex settles it.Nolva does nothing.I realy think it progesterone. Its like i dont get full gyno.Just like a swolen lump then goes.

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