Understanding PCT - Page 3 - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

**hackskii** · 25-01-2009, 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al_do

I recently finished a 500 sus pw/400 deca pw course. Invested in above PCT apart from HCG. Im a week into clomid therapy and testes are like raisins. Is it advisable to buy and start taking HCG now and if so how much?

Cheers

You need HCG mate.
When was your last jab?

Al_do · 27-01-2009, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hackskii

You need HCG mate.
When was your last jab?

My last jab was 3 weeks ago. 4 days ago I took 1500iu of HCG and then another tonight. Ive not noticed much of a difference.

I only got one more jab of HCG left. Should I take this again in 4 days? Ive ordered 9 more just incase but no idea when they will arrive :(

Still taking 100mg clomid per day.

**hackskii** · 27-01-2009, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al_do

My last jab was 3 weeks ago. 4 days ago I took 1500iu of HCG and then another tonight. Ive not noticed much of a difference.

I only got one more jab of HCG left. Should I take this again in 4 days? Ive ordered 9 more just incase but no idea when they will arrive :(

Still taking 100mg clomid per day.

I would continue on actually, I am somewhat surprised that you have not noticed a change in anything yet.
You have no boost in libido at all?

C3asar · 28-01-2009, 01:23 PM

briliant post, cleared up allot of queries for me.
Thanx very much!

SD · 28-01-2009, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al_do

I recently finished a 500 sus pw/400 deca pw course. Invested in above PCT apart from HCG. Im a week into clomid therapy and testes are like raisins. Is it advisable to buy and start taking HCG now and if so how much?

Cheers

There was a post about HCG that Mars put up last week, it said assuming you didnt run HCG through the course, you should tak 40iuxnumber of days of cycle in HCG to kickstart your balls. 1500 probably isnt cutting it by that formula. Assuming your cycle was 8-12 weeks you would need between 2240iu and 3360iu just to kickstart.
There were no references in the article but as you are finding out, 1500 isnt enough so applying the formula above may help.

SD

Cap'n Beefy · 28-01-2009, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SportDr

There was a post about HCG that Mars put up last week, it said assuming you didnt run HCG through the course, you should tak 40iuxnumber of days of cycle in HCG to kickstart your balls. 1500 probably isnt cutting it by that formula. Assuming your cycle was 8-12 weeks you would need between 2240iu and 3360iu just to kickstart.
There were no references in the article but as you are finding out, 1500 isnt enough so applying the formula above may help.

SD

Presumably that doesn't keep tallying up if you've been on too long, ie months and months of blast and cruise?

There's an upper limit, yes?

**hackskii** · 28-01-2009, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cap'n Beefy

Presumably that doesn't keep tallying up if you've been on too long, ie months and months of blast and cruise?

There's an upper limit, yes?

Sure is and if you dont have an AI or a SERM, you will end up with a nice pair of boobs.

I think the idea here is to use just enough for enough stimulation to aid in testicular function.
after all, If you dont get testicular function back, recovery is seriously compromised.

Cap'n Beefy · 28-01-2009, 10:32 PM

So, mucho reading later, herewith plan for recovery and impregnation of wife in minimum time possible following 18 months blast cruise (more cruise really) but including some deca, but with 20mg tamoxifen daily throughout. Balls shrunken but not raisin size as mentioned earlier in this thread by another

Starting 17 days after last 500mg shot of test enan. All other compounds long gone.

2500 hcg e3d 6 shots
50mg clomid twice daily 30 days
20mg tamoxifen once daily 45 days

proviron 25mg three times daily for 30 days starting when clomid is finished (studies show it is most effective when sperm count is low, not non existent)

vitamin E throughout

got some trib and horny goat weed for sh1ts and giggles too!!

Anyone spot a flaw, or recommend a better alternative.

Input gratefully received.

**hackskii** · 28-01-2009, 10:56 PM

8 shots mate of the HCG.
Add some vitamin D in there during the HCG.
No aspirin.
Do the HCG shots at night if you can, but for me it makes it so I cant sleep.

If you got any HGH, or IGF-1, you can toss that in the mix with the HCG, it is speculated to help in the recovery process of the nuts.

But, if you can find some rFSH, then I would add that too, but you may be ok.
HMG for those that have a very hard time recovering.

SD · 28-01-2009, 10:59 PM

Vitamin E?

SD

**hackskii** · 28-01-2009, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SportDr

Vitamin E?

SD

Study is here:
Effect of vitamin E on function of pituitary-gonadal axis in male rats and human subjects. Umeda F, Kato K, Muta K, Ibayashi H.

Al_do · 29-01-2009, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SportDr

There was a post about HCG that Mars put up last week, it said assuming you didnt run HCG through the course, you should tak 40iuxnumber of days of cycle in HCG to kickstart your balls. 1500 probably isnt cutting it by that formula. Assuming your cycle was 8-12 weeks you would need between 2240iu and 3360iu just to kickstart.
There were no references in the article but as you are finding out, 1500 isnt enough so applying the formula above may help.

SD

Thanks very much. I'll be able to run 3000iu for next week for 3 jabs. Hopefully after that I'll be more or less sorted.

My bools are a lot better since doing the 2nd shot especially.

Hacksii- "If you got any HGH, or IGF-1, you can toss that in the mix with the HCG, it is speculated to help in the recovery process of the nuts."

I've got HGH too so I'll be mixing this with my HCG from now on. Cheers.

**hackskii** · 29-01-2009, 06:27 PM

I would jab them seperate but yah, no problem runnin them together, synergy and all that.

DRED · 08-02-2009, 09:10 PM

nice post scott....on the case :O)

Freddo · 22-03-2009, 09:56 PM

Great READ! Thanks.

28-01-2009, 01:23 PM	#34 (permalink)
C3asar Lookin to Grow! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Coast, Near Weymouth Posts: 211	Re: Understanding PCT briliant post, cleared up allot of queries for me. Thanx very much!

28-01-2009, 10:32 PM	#38 (permalink)
Cap'n Beefy Crazed Maniac Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 364	Re: Understanding PCT So, mucho reading later, herewith plan for recovery and impregnation of wife in minimum time possible following 18 months blast cruise (more cruise really) but including some deca, but with 20mg tamoxifen daily throughout. Balls shrunken but not raisin size as mentioned earlier in this thread by another Starting 17 days after last 500mg shot of test enan. All other compounds long gone. 2500 hcg e3d 6 shots 50mg clomid twice daily 30 days 20mg tamoxifen once daily 45 days proviron 25mg three times daily for 30 days starting when clomid is finished (studies show it is most effective when sperm count is low, not non existent) vitamin E throughout got some trib and horny goat weed for sh1ts and giggles too!! Anyone spot a flaw, or recommend a better alternative. Input gratefully received.

28-01-2009, 10:56 PM	#39 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 30,078	Re: Understanding PCT 8 shots mate of the HCG. Add some vitamin D in there during the HCG. No aspirin. Do the HCG shots at night if you can, but for me it makes it so I cant sleep. If you got any HGH, or IGF-1, you can toss that in the mix with the HCG, it is speculated to help in the recovery process of the nuts. But, if you can find some rFSH, then I would add that too, but you may be ok. HMG for those that have a very hard time recovering. __________________ Power over others is weakness disguised as strength. Scott

28-01-2009, 10:59 PM	#40 (permalink)
SD Formerly known as SportDr Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 4,796	Re: Understanding PCT Vitamin E? SD

29-01-2009, 06:27 PM	#43 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 30,078	Re: Understanding PCT I would jab them seperate but yah, no problem runnin them together, synergy and all that. __________________ Power over others is weakness disguised as strength. Scott

08-02-2009, 09:10 PM	#44 (permalink)
DRED Getting HUGE! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Rochester,Kent Posts: 1,401	Re: Understanding PCT nice post scott....on the case :O)

22-03-2009, 09:56 PM	#45 (permalink)
Freddo Gym Addict Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 139	Re: Understanding PCT Great READ! Thanks.

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