hackskii

There are much better things to use to improve sperm count than proviron.
I personally dont feel it is necessary, unless you have a problem with that or you are crashed and need some added androgens, at this point you failed PCT anyway.

If erections are an issue then yah, you can add some proviron.
But in a good PCT, this all wont be necessary.

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lethal86

Great thread, i've never done steroids, but i like to read about things like courses and PCT as i honestly do see myself doing them in the future, maybe a couple more years yet!

YoungGun

So is HCG needed? I was under the impression clomid and nolva would suffice for pct, maybe even nolva in small doses through the cycle. Hcg is pricey, example being 10 week sust course, would you recomend HCG? I'm confused weather it's a must?

SD

Depends on dosage and compounds, some shut you down more than others, Deca for example.
A low dose sust course may not need it or at least it wont be essential, someone taking 1g of sust with 600mg of deca per week will undoubtedly need it.

SD

YoungGun

Ah that's a big help, i was only planning 500mg per week so i assume that a basic nolva/clomid pct would be fine. This is a right head fcuk! I've just spent ages writting relevant info i need from these forums! Cheers mate.

SD

OKay gonna try to explain the PCT protocol another way:

You have just finished your 6-12 week course of AAS, be it an oral only, or a test+oral. test+oral+anabolic.

At this point in time your nuts have gone to sleep, the artificial test in your system was detected by your brain who mistakingly thought your nuts were working too hard and shut that test factory down.

Well now you have finished adding in all that artificial testosterone and you want a break from AAS so you are going to try to restore your natural test with a PCT protocol.

YOu wait the required clearance times for the drugs you have taken, usually around two weeks, then begin.

Hacks protocol is this:
I take clomid at 50mg twice a day (12hrs apart) for 30 days.
I take nolvadex at 20 mg a day for 45 days.
I take anywhere from 1000iu EOD to 2500 EOD for 8 shots (16 days

The HCG will fool your nuts into thinking the brain is telling them to wake up and start producing test again, this is good but when the HCG shots stop, your brain will still not be convinced and wont take over giving the orders, so at the same time you have to convince your brain that it needs to tell your nuts to carry on the good work ok?
This is where Nolva and Clomid come in, combined, these two compounds tell the brain its ok to start ordering the nuts around and to get on with it ASAP. So for the 16 days you are taking HCG, you are also taking clomid and nolva in the hope that by the time the HCG shots run out, your brain will be suitably convinced to take over the role of telling your nuts what to do.
Thing is, your brain isn't quite ready to wing it alone at that point so you actually continue the clomid and nolva, gently withdrawing them for a total of 30 & 45 days.
By the end of the 45 days your nuts should be producing ntaural test again and your brain should be giving the orders with no chemical input from you.
hth
SD

skaman007

hi sport dr,,regarding hacks pct protocol,,,,,.i have read on many other sites that hcg is advised thruout cycle,,and stopped one week before pct begins?for example,on a 12 week test deca cycle,,,,hcg would be used at 250iusx2 weekly from week 3-13?your thoughts on this ,,thanks

hackskii

I still get testicular atrophy even @ 500iu HCG at the end of the cycle.
I dont see a problem taking HCG right up to the start of PCT and even in PCT, providing an AI is used or at the very least nolva.
HCG is supressive to the pituitary and hypothalamus, but that fires up pretty quick with the use of clomid.
Id rather the nuts be ready than not as this is the single biggest hinderance for recovery.

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skaman007

hi hiacksi,,,im soon to start a 12 weeke test 500mgs week cycle
week 1-12 test e 500mgs week 25mgs proviron ed weeks 6-14
week 1-4 40mg dbol ed
weeks 9-14 50mg winstrol ed.
whats your advice for my hcg intake on this cycle?will start pct day after last winny tab,,which will be clomid 50mgx30days,and nolva 20mgx30days

hackskii

500iu twice a week, I would consider a mild AI in there and run it all the way to the start of PCT or drop it about 5 days before.

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G.I. Joe Galway

Does anyone here use the stasis/taper protocal?

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_...per_protocol_1

G.I. Joe Galway

I can quoate the name of the study but i have read that HcG gives best results when injected 250iu EOD while on cycle!

SD

I hear so many different doseage protocols for HCG during cycle it makes my head spin, thing is, without bloods, we are all just guessing, 500iu per week wont cause significant desensitisation of your nuts to LH so I have read so that would look like a good starting dose. If things are looking a little raisin like downstairs then up this dose to twice a week as Scott said imho. You can always add, you cant take back out.

SD

hackskii

I use 500iu twice a week and by the end of the cycle there is some atrophy, and I do use an AI.
Pulsing seems to be a sensible approach, but from what I have noticed, at 8 to 10 week cycle takes me 20,000iu of HCG to recover period.
It may be during, or at the end, or a combination of both, but it is 20,000 that I use and it works well.
I find it works best when I use during and up to PCT, even including in some of the PCT.

But then again, I may need more than some of the other guys.

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Al_do

I recently finished a 500 sus pw/400 deca pw course. Invested in above PCT apart from HCG. Im a week into clomid therapy and testes are like raisins. Is it advisable to buy and start taking HCG now and if so how much?

Cheers