gazh

Any of you lads read this ... what you think ?

Benefits of Dianabol Use as a supplemant

Dianabol has been shown to increase anaerobic glycolysis (3), which increases lactic acid build up in the body. This is beneficial because lactic acid is used by the muscles to form glycogen, which in turn provides energy in anaerobic metabolism. Lactic acid is also a key chemical in the disposal of dietary carbohydrates, which means you are less likely to get fat while using dianabol.
A study on osteoporosis (4) showed that at a dosage of just 2.5mg per day for 9 months dianabol was more effective than calcium supplementation in reducing osteoporotic activity, it was also shown to increase muscle mass more effectively. Another study on osteoporosis (5) which lasted 24 months, showed just how dianabol works on osteoporosis; dianabol increased total body calcium, and also total body potassium. This may not mean much to you as a bodybuilder, but the actions of calcium are very important to bodybuilders, as it transports large numbers of amino acids and also creatine and these two things are vital in muscle growth. Potassium is also very important, as it assists in muscle contractions, transmitting nerve signals, and insulin release; so it is also a very anabolic substance.
One very interesting study (6), although not significant in bodybuilding terms, showed that dianabol increases the sensitivity of laryngeal tumour cells to radiotherapy, and concluded 'recommending this hormone to be used during radiotherapy of patients with the laryngeal cancer'.
How to Cycle Dianabol
To create a cycle for dianabol that is based around using it more as a supplement than a steroid, we first need to look at the current trend for cycling dianabol and analyse what is wrong with it. An average cycle of Dianabol is usually structured as 25-40mg split throughout each day for 4-6 weeks, either alone or stacked with other steroids.
Splitting the dosage when you are using a low dose is virtually pointless, as you will get a much smaller peak of the drug. So in this case it is best to take it in a single dose in the morning (preferably with grapefruit juice). Although this will not prevent suppression of natural testosterone, it may lessen it to a certain degree, as your body will still have lengthy periods later in the day when there is little testosterone circulating, and so it may still produce some.
Now if we look at cycle duration, 4-6 weeks seems too short to have any real effect at a low dose, but how can we use dianabol for longer without placing more risk on our liver? The solution is actually quite simple; by taking weekends off from the drug we will give our livers a break from processing the drug. Due to the short half-life any active substances will be out of our system within 24 hours of your last dose, now this may seem like it will cost you gains, but in actual fact it will cost you little or no losses in the long run as even though there is no active drug in the body the effects are still present i.e. extra intramuscular water, and a more anabolic mineral balance. These effects usually taper off over several days. This method will not however, help your natural testosterone to return from its inhibited state, as this process can take considerably longer. If we take weekends off and use a lower dose, we should in theory be able to use dianabol for 10 weeks with no problems. A simple bit of mathematics can show this point best:

• 6 weeks @25mg each day = 1050mg of Dianabol in total
• 10 weeks with weekends off @15mg each day = 750mg of Dianabol in total

So as you can see, by using this system your liver will actually process less dianabol than in a conventional cycle, add this to the fact that you can make gains for 10 weeks instead of 6, and with fewer side effects, and you get a very solid cycle.
Summary
This Cycle Theory can be applied in many different situations, for instance a beginner could use the dianabol on it's own for 10 weeks and gain very well. A more experienced steroid user could use this alongside an injectable cycle for very good gains too, getting the benefit of the initial quick gains of the Dianabol, with the slower but stronger gains of an injectable.
This cycle may seem to go against many of the current trends of dianabol use, but I believe that by using dianabol as a supplement to good training and nutrition you can make very good gains.

mick_the_brick

Interesting read..

I'll come back later with my thoughts on it

gazh

Yer thats what i thought could be worth a bash !

LiftHeavy

anyone else have any views on this read? What kind of pct would be required for a 10week cycle like suggested?

gazh

I would run a standard pct anyway Nolva , Clomid

SD

The point of the article isnt about how you can optimise Dbol for muscle growth, its how to take Dbol and minimise side effects.

10weeks of a low dose would only require a short PCT, what and how long would be individual.

I like the Idea, may be good for bridging for example, or for a first time cycle.

The debate over whether 10mg can do much for your hypertrophy has already been had here and many people reported thay grew well on 10mg od.

There has already been a debate over whether the dose sould be split or taken all at once, and again it concurred with your article that low doses arent worth splitting.

Also there was a debate here about taking weekends off, I think Hackskii was at the centre of it not sure from which side tho, I think the jury was split.

I know that with alcohol there is currently recommendations to have days off, regardless of whether you are within your units to allow the liver to regenerate and I see no reason not to do the same with dbol apart from fluctating levels, then again on such a low dose it wont matter I think.

SD

gazh

So for example i have done sust before and a tbol cycle but want to do a few more oral cycles before jumping to sust etc again what dose of dbol would be adaquate as its not my first cycle and want good gains low sides my idea was

Dbol 30-40mg ED run for 5 weeks on 5 weeks off
Running it with a AI Arimidex @ 0.25 - 0.5 EOD
Pct Nolva 40mg weeks 1-2 then 20mg 3-4
Clomid 50 mg for 3-4 weeks

harry monk

Good reading which makes sense & by extending to 10 weeks could give better gains as well as giving the liver a short recovery time.
Your above idea seems okay to me. Good luck with it

ba baracuss

Where did you get that copy and paste from?

There's a long thread here already on the same subject if you do a search, and you'll find lots of info and views on it, plus people who have used it I believe.

Pscarb

well you would get shutdown from 10 weeks in my opinion....as for the articles i am not so sure to be fair i really cannot see the point in prolonged very low dose oral cycles...

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gazh

No me either 10 weeks at a low dose seems a bit drawn think i'd rather run 6-8 weeks and up the dose to 30 mg ish

If running an AI arimidex for example would 0.5 be enough EOD as i've heard its quite a strong AI and 30mg is low / average dose of dbol

SD

Yep looks nice and safe mate, there are quotes from others here who have used over 100mg per day to no ill effect? but not sure if any of them had liver values checked while doing this.

Under 50mg has proven to be effective and safe (relatively) no need to do more if you can grow off it, so yes 30-40mg should be fine. Again probably no need to split it, though I do like taking it close to when I go workout.

Nice to see an AI and SERMs in your plan matey

SD

gazh

Just found can't get hold or Arimidex but i can get hold of Aromasin (exemestane) instead what dose would be adequate for my dbol cycle @ 30 - 40 mg ED ?
Also is there any point tapering up at beging 20mg / 30mg / 40mg then taper at end or is it not worth it?
I usually train about 5 pm after work so should i take the full daily dose ( 30-40mg) at say 4 o'clockish ?

SD

hth
SD

mick_the_brick

Any more than 20mg ED of dbol and the sides outweigh the pro's for me after 4 weeks TBH.

Maybe of use to guys that get with this compound though