bobins

hi there. i just stumbled across this site last night. after being a member of bodybuilding.com for ages.

i am after some advice for my first cycle,

im planning on stacking deca with sust and using clomid and tribulus as pct.

i was originally going to do 300mg deca per wk and 500mg sust but as this is my first cycle i am considering a lighter stack like 200mg deca and 250mg sust per wk.. i plan to run it for 10 wks and start my pct 3 weeks after my last shot.

as i am quite light i would have thought that i would see some ok gains with this while keeping side effects down?

i am 150lbs, 5'10

what are you opinions on the light stack? would i see ok gains with this for a first cycle?

thanks a lot

winger

First off welcome to the board.
I like 200mg deca and 250mg sust per wk better. Deca can be hard on the hpta just to let you know. I might even drop the last week of the deca just because it is so long acting.
I have always read to do a tes only cycle for the first time.

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big

I strongly advise against deca on your first cycle. I also advise against sus personally.

10 weeks of test enan at 500mg/week is an ideal first cycle.

Your gains will primarily depend on your diet, and your training will be important too.

winger

Bump. Even 250 would work for a 150lb guy. Hey bobins, get your bloodwork done first though. Get free testosteron checked, that way you can find out what your base levels are. You are squeekie clean now. On gear you are going to have to eat like crazy too. Thats the fun part.

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bobins

thanks for the comments.

just to say that i already have the deca, and want to use it now.. i know a good few people who have used it on their first cycles with nice gains, although a few used "deca only" which i dont like the sound of so thats why i plan a light stack with sust. sust is easily accessible for me you see.

i was hoping the side effects shouldnt be too bad on the 200deca and 250sust cycle as its quite a low dose..?

thanks again

DB

u'll b ok with that mate, i'd personally do dbol only first cycle or dbol with enen but anyway...

try and get enan rather than sust as it has a constant release into ur system unlike sust and if ur shootin every 7 days ur test levels with sust will b like a yoyo,

either up the dose and shoot the sust every 5days minimum or switch to enan and do one shot a week IMO

as for side effects...all depends on how u react to it? i never get sides.. some get savage acne, gyno, depression headaches..u name it have to c how u get on? have some nolvadex on hand also mate

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MEATNECK

personally i like to see a test only cycle as well for a first cycle...
with that said....
id run the deca at 300mg if your gonna run it..
the test at 500mg..
what ever you do,id run the test a couple weeks past the deca..seems to aid in recovery...

btw.welcome to UKM

Jimmy

the lighter stack will work well IMO

Its good to see caution in new users

Bumping big's post however, maybe try that cycle next time

winger

Tes enanthate or cyp only for the first cycle. Save the deca for your next cycle.

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bobins

thanks again to everyone for their comments.

ok, i will try and get my hands on some enanthate, should i still keep it quite low? say 200mg / 400mg wk? remember, first cycle and im quite light so dont want to pump myself with massive amounts


cheers

big

Anywhere from 250mg/week to 500mg/week is fine. You could always go for something like 250mg every 4 day or 5 days if you wanted to stay somewhere in between and don't want to jab as frequently.

I still say 500mg/week is great for starters. You'll find out how well you respond to a moderate cycle and will also find out how you recover. You should get close to twice the gains with 500mg that you do with 250mg and it doesn't shut you down much worse - I read a study that proves this - I'll try to find it again if you'd like.

Make sure you get your natty test levels checked BEFORE you start your cycle. You can then check again after PCT to make sure you've recovered.

Bazzamax

All the best on your cycle mate....Some good advice from the guys above.
Enanthate is a lot better than sust imo and a lot less painfull to use.
250 mgs every 4 or 5 days sounds perfect. The deca will keep I'm sure.
All the best.
Bazza.

bobins

thanks alot mate, i just need to try and get some enan now.

im thinking i will do it 250mg/500mg wk for 8 wks and if all goes well use the deca for next cycle with test and maybe dbol for the first 4 weeks!

when do u recomend i start on the clomid and tribulus post cycle? 3 weeks after?

again, thanks alot for all your advice everyone

winger

Yep, no earlier.

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DB

agreed with winger, 3 weeks no earlyer

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