Newbie advice: - Needles & syringes - advice desperately needed - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

Hercules · 21-07-2003, 07:30 PM

I've had a cycle written out for me starting with 200mg Deca, pyramiding up to 300mg to 400mg back down to 300mg to 200mg. The problem is i don't know what size needles to get and how big the syringes are that i need. AND where to get them from.
Can anyone reccommend me sizes and tell me a reputable supplier? I would really appreciate any advice given.
(I've been told that medisave.co.uk is a good supplier.)

demon · 21-07-2003, 07:45 PM

Yeah, medisave is good for needles.

22G or 23G (the thickness of the needle) x 1" - 1.5" (the length) should be fine for injecting into quads or glutes.

400mg of deca will take up 4ml in the syringe so if you're going to inject in one go, your syringe will have to be a bit bigger than this to allow you to aspirate etc.

Raven · 22-07-2003, 09:30 AM

Another good supplier is www.westons.com

Can you post the cycle you were recommended? the pyramid thing is very out of date and not necessary, we may be able to help further

Hercules · 22-07-2003, 02:26 PM

The Cycle is:-
WEEK 1 - 200mg Deca (start of wk) with 60mg Clen daily.
WEEK 2 - 200mg Deca (start of wk) with 80mg Clen daily.
WEEK 3 - 300mg Deca (start of wk) with 100mg Clen daily.
WEEK 4 - 400mg Deca (start of wk) with 50mcg CYTOMEL daily.
WEEK 5 - 400mg Deca (start of wk) with 50mcg CYTOMEL daily.
WEEK 6 - 300mg Deca (start of wk) with 100mcg CYTOMEL daily.
WEEK 7 - 200mg Deca (start of wk) with 100mcg CYTOMEL & 60mg of Clen daily.
WEEK 8 - 200mg Deca (Start of wk) with 80mcg Clen daily
WEEK 9 - No shot of deca at start of wk, only take 100mg of Clen daily.

Throughout this cycle i've been advised to take NOLVA 20mg a day, as my anti-estrogen, to act against bitch tits.
I've also been told that perhaps i ought to take Clomid, towards the end of my cycle, to kick in my own testosterone production at the end of the cycle . (I've had many mixed views and opinions on Clomid at the gym.)

P.S. Thanks to Demon for your advice on the needles & syringes.

Raven · 23-07-2003, 08:39 AM

That is a very odd cycle! Deca is mainly used in bulking cycles but Clen and T3 (CYTOMEL) is used for cutting, so what is the purpose of this cycle to bulk or cut? The pyramid is not needed as the natural half life if the drug will taper it accordingly, there is also no form of test so you may get a case of limp ****. it is extremely unlikey that you will suffer any gyno symtoms here but if you did then nolva won't cure it as deca is a progestin. I haven't got anything positive to say about the cycle, Sorry!

Have you already bought the gear for this cycle? I would recommend going for a beginers classic mass builder instead such as

weeks 1-8 Test 500mg PW
weeks 1-8 Deca 400mg PW

Start clomid 3 weeks after your last shot of deca and keep nolvsa on hand in case of gyno

What exactly are your goals anyway?

Hercules · 23-07-2003, 11:08 PM

I asked my friend where he got the cycle from, he got it from Anabolicshop.net - go there and click on steroidcycles (under categories) and then click on "Fat loss & gain lean muscles cycle". It can be found there with a cycle chart as well.
I showed him what you said (I had a printed copy) and then he took out a photo of himself, from his wallet, where he looks seriously f*cking obese! - I've not known him long (he's like a gym buddy) but he looks a totally different bl**dy person!
I'm not obese though, i just am a bit chubby but have no muscle - which really gets me down, even after putting extra time every week into lifting. In regards to my goals they are exactly what that cycle says - Fat loss & gain lean muscles".
I've bought all the clenbuterol needed, all the Cytomel and 15 vials of Deca so far. Needles I bought over net a couple of nights ago.

Jock · 24-07-2003, 05:44 PM

Listen to Raven bro, he knows what he's talkin about. That cycle you posted is horrible:(

First off I'd slow down and start learning more about steroids, decide what you what to do: bulk or cut:confused:

Don't kid yourself and think you can do both at the same time, if you do decide to go ahead and juice anyway at least run a test alongside or you will get deca ****. Make sure you have plenty of Nolva in case of gyno and some clomid like Raven said.

Jock

Biker · 24-07-2003, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hercules
I showed him what you said (I had a printed copy) and then he took out a photo of himself, from his wallet, where he looks seriously f*cking obese! - I've not known him long (he's like a gym buddy) but he looks a totally different bl**dy person!
I'm not obese though, i just am a bit chubby but have no muscle - which really gets me down, even after putting extra time every week into lifting. In regards to my goals they are exactly what that cycle says - Fat loss & gain lean muscles".

That's the way they used to cycle the whole pyramid thing is pointless (unless using very fast acting, short halflife steroids - but that's of no concern for your plans). Listen to Raven on this one, trust me there's some photos of Raven on here somewhere, go and take a look and tell me if your mate is in that good a shape.

mark · 25-07-2003, 02:01 PM

"400mg of deca will take up 4ml in the syringe so if you're going to inject in one go, your syringe will have to be a bit bigger than this to allow you to aspirate etc."....Demon.

The norma deca I used was 200mg/ml so 400mg would take up 2ml - is other types of Deca less mg/ml? I would only recommend 1inch Blue needles - the greens are like a coat hanger! Get your needles/syringes from a needle exchange - free and easy and you can see loads of smack heads who are skinny as hell to make yourself feel that much bigger!

Mark

demon · 25-07-2003, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mark
The norma deca I used was 200mg/ml so 400mg would take up 2ml - is other types of Deca less mg/ml? Mark

Yeah, mine was 100mg / ml. I just assumed that all deca was the same concentration.

Biker · 26-07-2003, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mark
[BThe norma deca I used was 200mg/ml so 400mg would take up 2ml - is other types of Deca less mg/ml? Mark [/b]

Norma deca is not available at 200mg/ml, there's 200mg in the vial but that's suspended in 2ml of oil. so it's 100mg/ml

Jock · 07-08-2003, 02:55 PM

Yep same here, my Norma Deca was a 2ml vial containing 200mg. Are you sure your stuff was legit Mark?

Jock

mark · 07-08-2003, 05:46 PM

It's me getting confused - I'll get my coat!

Mark

21-07-2003, 07:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
Hercules Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5	Newbie advice: - Needles & syringes - advice desperately needed I've had a cycle written out for me starting with 200mg Deca, pyramiding up to 300mg to 400mg back down to 300mg to 200mg. The problem is i don't know what size needles to get and how big the syringes are that i need. AND where to get them from. Can anyone reccommend me sizes and tell me a reputable supplier? I would really appreciate any advice given. (I've been told that medisave.co.uk is a good supplier.) Last edited by Hercules; 22-07-2003 at 02:24 PM.

21-07-2003, 07:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
demon Looking Freaky Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 809	Yeah, medisave is good for needles. 22G or 23G (the thickness of the needle) x 1" - 1.5" (the length) should be fine for injecting into quads or glutes. 400mg of deca will take up 4ml in the syringe so if you're going to inject in one go, your syringe will have to be a bit bigger than this to allow you to aspirate etc. __________________ DEMON "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit." - Aristotle

22-07-2003, 09:30 AM	#3 (permalink)
Raven Hardcore Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Bowery Posts: 849	Another good supplier is www.westons.com Can you post the cycle you were recommended? the pyramid thing is very out of date and not necessary, we may be able to help further __________________ To find what was lost you must first go back to the beginning and find it again To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. http://www.ucw.biz/

22-07-2003, 02:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
Hercules Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5	The Cycle is:- WEEK 1 - 200mg Deca (start of wk) with 60mg Clen daily. WEEK 2 - 200mg Deca (start of wk) with 80mg Clen daily. WEEK 3 - 300mg Deca (start of wk) with 100mg Clen daily. WEEK 4 - 400mg Deca (start of wk) with 50mcg CYTOMEL daily. WEEK 5 - 400mg Deca (start of wk) with 50mcg CYTOMEL daily. WEEK 6 - 300mg Deca (start of wk) with 100mcg CYTOMEL daily. WEEK 7 - 200mg Deca (start of wk) with 100mcg CYTOMEL & 60mg of Clen daily. WEEK 8 - 200mg Deca (Start of wk) with 80mcg Clen daily WEEK 9 - No shot of deca at start of wk, only take 100mg of Clen daily. Throughout this cycle i've been advised to take NOLVA 20mg a day, as my anti-estrogen, to act against bitch tits. I've also been told that perhaps i ought to take Clomid, towards the end of my cycle, to kick in my own testosterone production at the end of the cycle . (I've had many mixed views and opinions on Clomid at the gym.) P.S. Thanks to Demon for your advice on the needles & syringes. Last edited by Hercules; 22-07-2003 at 02:30 PM.

23-07-2003, 08:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
Raven Hardcore Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Bowery Posts: 849	That is a very odd cycle! Deca is mainly used in bulking cycles but Clen and T3 (CYTOMEL) is used for cutting, so what is the purpose of this cycle to bulk or cut? The pyramid is not needed as the natural half life if the drug will taper it accordingly, there is also no form of test so you may get a case of limp ***. it is extremely unlikey that you will suffer any gyno symtoms here but if you did then nolva won't cure it as deca is a progestin. I haven't got anything positive to say about the cycle, Sorry! Have you already bought the gear for this cycle? I would recommend going for a beginers classic mass builder instead such as weeks 1-8 Test 500mg PW weeks 1-8 Deca 400mg PW Start clomid 3 weeks after your last shot of deca and keep nolvsa on hand in case of gyno What exactly are your goals anyway? __________________ To find what was lost you must first go back to the beginning and find it again To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. http://www.ucw.biz/

23-07-2003, 11:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
Hercules Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5	I asked my friend where he got the cycle from, he got it from Anabolicshop.net - go there and click on steroidcycles (under categories) and then click on "Fat loss & gain lean muscles cycle". It can be found there with a cycle chart as well. I showed him what you said (I had a printed copy) and then he took out a photo of himself, from his wallet, where he looks seriously fcking obese! - I've not known him long (he's like a gym buddy) but he looks a totally different bldy person! I'm not obese though, i just am a bit chubby but have no muscle - which really gets me down, even after putting extra time every week into lifting. In regards to my goals they are exactly what that cycle says - Fat loss & gain lean muscles". I've bought all the clenbuterol needed, all the Cytomel and 15 vials of Deca so far. Needles I bought over net a couple of nights ago. Last edited by Hercules; 23-07-2003 at 11:11 PM.*

24-07-2003, 05:44 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jock LEAGUE LEGEND! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: UK Posts: 3,038	Listen to Raven bro, he knows what he's talkin about. That cycle you posted is horrible:( First off I'd slow down and start learning more about steroids, decide what you what to do: bulk or cut:confused: Don't kid yourself and think you can do both at the same time, if you do decide to go ahead and juice anyway at least run a test alongside or you will get deca ****. Make sure you have plenty of Nolva in case of gyno and some clomid like Raven said. Jock

25-07-2003, 02:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
mark Getting HUGE! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West Midlands Posts: 1,360	"400mg of deca will take up 4ml in the syringe so if you're going to inject in one go, your syringe will have to be a bit bigger than this to allow you to aspirate etc."....Demon. The norma deca I used was 200mg/ml so 400mg would take up 2ml - is other types of Deca less mg/ml? I would only recommend 1inch Blue needles - the greens are like a coat hanger! Get your needles/syringes from a needle exchange - free and easy and you can see loads of smack heads who are skinny as hell to make yourself feel that much bigger! Mark __________________ Mark To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-08-2003, 02:55 PM	#12 (permalink)
Jock LEAGUE LEGEND! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: UK Posts: 3,038	Yep same here, my Norma Deca was a 2ml vial containing 200mg. Are you sure your stuff was legit Mark? Jock

07-08-2003, 05:46 PM	#13 (permalink)
mark Getting HUGE! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West Midlands Posts: 1,360	It's me getting confused - I'll get my coat! Mark __________________ Mark To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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