kieren1234

Mate those pictures just nearly made me sick. I have a very weak stomach when it comes to cuts and blood etc.

Hope you heat up really quickly and good on you for posting this thread!!

I am going tomorrow so will keep an eye out for you.

anabolic ant

yep i know all this about scarring,the flora's etc...i have education(done a few agar plates etc in my time),but very much experience in dealing with infection,bacteria's etc etc etc...wasnt in the mood to start a blackwell synergy,pub med etc etc search on peer reviewed journals to explain something which i broke down into laymans terms without having to go deep in scientific jargon,just skimmed the surface so to speak,no need for depth at the minute,as i said a small bit of info!!!
i also have very good knowledge and experience of vac pumps,draining,wound healing etc...was just shedding a small amount of knowledge but not deviating from poor phil's traumatic event!!!!!

ARNIE

a very good thread about some of the problems with injecting!
i hope it heals well and everything works out for you!!
makes you think twice though(about injecting) whatever the compound.

pod13

Never said you didn't know all this mate. I just find this stuff interesting. I see patients in outpatient clinics who are scared to death of MRSA because they read the daily mail and take it as gospel. I was just trying to put my two pence in on healing and infection for information really (without straying too far from layman's terms or the original post). I too have experience of these things. I think Phil's done a great job of providing a good example of how things don't always go as you'd like, despite taking precautions.

Have a good one.

Littleluke

PHIL! I didn't bloody realise it was you PHIL PHIL!, The Phil I know personally!! LOL!!..

Are you coming to the hercules show mate. Be good to se ya buddy! Just keep that f()cking pump away from me as I have such a weak stomach LOL!.. I was drinking oats and whey whilst looking at this photo and HONESTLY struggled!

MissBC

you big girl, harden up

Robsta

I've eaten a worse one than that, but that's another story....although I've mentioned it on here before......
Get well soon dude, that's one big mofo....

SD

Reps to Phil for posting that, nice one mate, I have linked it from my steroid side effects thread, hope you dont mind (assumed you didnt as you posted it here for others to learn from).

You will have a fair scar mate as they probably didnt want to seal the infection in so left it open? vac drain is excellent bit of kit and will suck all of that poison right out of you in no time!

Only suggestions on the scar front are massage with bio oil and take adequate zinc, also pray your Dr is good with a neddle and thread, dont let them use staples!!

For others reading, here are possible ways to prevent this occuring, I am not saying at all that Phil did not do any of them, I just think its a great time to remind people of how this could be avoided, thats not to say that even if you follow all of this advice to the letter it wont happen anyway.

1/ Buy the injectable from a reliable, proven source, with high standards of hygiene and a good track record.

2/ Clean the site you wish to inject. Doesnt have to be alcohol, in fact alcohol leaves a residue, is a carbohydtrate and doesn't kill all bacteria any more! Better to use soap and water. Also clean the vial seal.

3/ Draw up with a fresh needle into a fresh syringe. I hope no-one re-uses either.

4/ Check the date on the injectable, is it in date?

5/ Check the condition of the injectable, look for crystals, separation, contamination.

6/ You could test inject 0.25 ml into a glute and see if there is a reaction, before commening with full 1ml shots.

7/ Inject with a fresh needle, not the one you drew up with (its blunt now anyway).

8/ Withdraw the plunger before you depress to ensure you arent in a blood vessel.

9/ Massage the site post injection and keep pressure on the puncture wound.

There is more to an injection, I am just illustrating the hygiene aspects of it. Importantly though and what most people forget, is boosting there immune system whilst on the course to prevent just this sort of infection. Adequate vitamins and inclusion of fruit and veg in the diet is a must, see my sig for vitamin doses.

For the record, this reply is not a flame of Phil, I am not saying that he didnt do any of the above or didnt know what he is doing, its a reminder to new guys reading the thread.

hth
SD

walks

damm thats bad. Thats the 3rd abscess from winstrol ive seen in a few months.
Was it pharma stuff?

anabolic ant

gotta agree with robsta...i've see some axewounds on some women...that wanted to eat me!!!!

sorry phil...just trying to put a smile element on this serious matter!!!!
health and recovery to you bro!!!

DoubleDcups

Wow, just wow!!!

The only time you ever want to see a gash like that is on one of 'nostandardsdaves' threads over at dumpster sluts.

Get well soon buddy

estfna

That's horrible, gutted for you mate. Hope you make a quick recovery, keep us updated with it.

MaKaVeLi

Just seen this bit, I sometimes train there, a good bunch of lads

Phil B

Mate if you take the time to read my thread in full you will see that i went to the doctor 8 days before i was admitted for surgery, again 2 days after that and again 2 days after that, each time i was told nothing was wrong despite having explained to them i had injected myself, and expressing concern it was an abscess - i was basically fobbed off each time - it was only when i went to casualty a full week after i had first sought medical advice that i was taken seriously!

Just had the district nurse come round and do the dressing change - smarted a bit as she picked the foam out the wound with tweezers!! On the whole im a hell of a lot more mobile than i was with the abscess & in a lot less discomfort - made it up to the british finals on Sunday and managed to be quite discreet with the vac unit!!

As for Sport Docs post - no i dont mind you linking my thread atall, and dont worry i havent taken offence to you listing good injection technique & clean protocol - for the record, short of swabbing the amp of Winstrol (pharma winni btw) i do always follow the points you have listed - which makes me think that the simple act of mixing oil and water is what was actually to blame rather than me having introduced an infection through bad injection protocol?

Phil

Phil B

Luke - yes its me, LOL, yes i should make it along to the show at lakeside on Sunday so will have to catch up for a chat - might hold you to ransom if youre really squeamish and demand £10 or ill show you my "fluid collection reservoir", that really will make you gag! LOL