Phil B

Hackski - thanks for putting the pics in - i dont suppose the order of the pics is that important - a couple show the abscess pre surgery, the last one shows the wound as it was this morning and with the vac pump dressing fixed up - i will try and update on healing process maybe each week and see how many weeks i can beat the projected 12 weeks recovery time by! Looking at the pics is quite sobering i think - just glad it got dealt with and didnt have any longer to become even more serious!
I will be at the British on Sunday - ill be the one carrying round the little black box over my shoulder with a tube coming out of it!! LOL

MaKaVeLi

For ****s sake!!! thats bad, get well soon pal

Lee

this will make me think twice about ever touching gear again.

glad your ok mate

best of luck with the recovery

hackskii

Guys, water based winstrol is poision in my opinion, it offers nothing over orals winny, and everything that goes wrong with injections.

Sorry for the rant, I just have a hard time looking at the second pic, I have a weak stomach, and that almost gags me.....

Phil, thank you so much for the pics, I hope you have a speedy recovery, part of the problem here is the fact the health care dragged their feet.
Cudos to you for knowing something was wrong in light of them not caring.......That sucks.
Cheers big man, you are my hero for sure..........
Respect bro............

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cynerain

all i can say is ...wow....this does deserve a sticky....cuz i was just about to get into steroid after i had enough training...but now im having second thoughts!!!

Phil B

Agree with Hackski - the 2nd pic is the most gruesome - it shows what i was faced with 2 days after the op - they had cleaned it up and packed it with gauze which is why it looks so wide.
Remember where it is located i cant really see it - so i was liying in the hospital bed with my camera phone in my hand waving it round behind me trying to get a picture so i could see what it looked like - i can assure you its not a nice feeling to take a pic of yourself like that and see it for the first time!!
Just glad iv always liked gory horror films and medical documentries else i think it may have all been a bit much!!

anabolic ant

bro...you dont need to hear its bad or yuck etc etc....you know it is upsetting enough...and could of been far more fatal....!!!

a staph aureas is a skin flora that you find residing on the skin,in the nose,genital area's etc....its when you antibiotics are being resisted it becomes methicillin resistant staph aureus (MRSA)....thank god you dont have this,believe me i know about this!!!!

and i think with the cycle you was tapering off of...and the GH,your recovery will be all the much more better and quicker...nutrients filled blood,absorption,recovery,tissue repair and recovery time will be 1/3rd of the time!!!!!

i was on 4ml deca on purpose for my op on both bum cheeks 29th jul 08!!!!

the only thing is,may be the scar tissue element...i have 9 & 10 stitches on either side right where you jab,so i might be unfortunate there for jabbing reasons because of the scar tissue...but your lucky that it is one side!!!!
i know i shouldnt be talking like this...and really promoting your health and recovery...but you obviously were so far into training you were competing...and done bloody well whilst being ill too!!!!

so i dont think this will stop you,but brings caution and safety element right up...i really hope the vac pump will drain off and the antibiotics kill every last drop off offending bacteria....and that your wound healing is promoted with your intake of aids should i call em,protein,food etc!!!!

find out if the bacteria deterioted much or any of the muscle away...and how much tissue damage there is...because obviously you want to know amount/volume of damage and how much muscle tissue is residing for movement/bio-mechanical,symmetrical reasons,even just to sit on evenly....i wondered if you can hypertrophy one side enough to equal it up,if there was significant amount missing?

please let us know how you feel bro...this must be such a hard thing to go through physically,let alone psychologically....even when docs say its self inflicted bla bla...nothing is nice when like that,also how is your recovery now???

pea head

wow.thats one major abcess mate.
one of my friends had a cut out in his tricep years ago(which i actually did the shot for him). he was in a right state.
so i really do feel for you.,i get a lump for a day or 2 and think ive got issues.
geez mate,i hope it all heals up in quick time for you.
thanksfor taking the time post up and hope this teaches people something.
sticky.

pod13

We've got bacteria all over us, and inside (it's called your 'normal flora'). If you get a wound that crosses your normal tissue planes, some of these bacteria that are helpful when they live on your skin get to places where they aren't normally found and rapidly reproduce, causing an infection (it's not just bacteria, but these are the most common infecting organisms).

There's lots of media hype about MRSA. It is just a type of staph aureus that isn't responsive to a certain type of antibiotic. There are antibiotics to treat it, and it'll respond to being chopped out (surgical debridement) in exactly the same way as other similar bacteria.

As for scarring, Phil is more likely to get a greater amount of scarring than someone who's had a wound stitched up. Phil's wound was left open to drain. This means it heals from the bottom out - with lots of fibrous scar tissue getting laid down on the way. This will remodel with time, but he'll have some scarring. When you stitch a wound up, your body has a bit less healing to do, so there's less scarring. So it will be worth seeing someone for scar management.

Ant's made a great point about muscle loss. Muscles are generally grouped into compartments, surrounded by fibrous connective tissue (fascia). This fascia is pretty good at stopping bacteria getting across into the muscle compartment and spreading around (although certain types of bacteria are good at tracking along and spreading that way) creating more damage. Your bum has a reasonable layer of subcutaneous fat on it (although Phil's was likely pretty thin if his bodyfat was low), so hopefully his infection will have stayed in the fatty layer.

DB

Phil.. fuk bro sorry to see/hear that! :(

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Sylar

I don't know how you did it mate.

I've only seen one of the pics so far, it's horrific!. I'm glad the thread has moved onto the second page.

Phil B

Scarring is one of my biggest concerns (along with not getting re-infection of course) - i do have real ugly scars on my right ankle from a bad break years ago though and the comp tan covers them up nicely so it shouldnt be a major issue.
Also the doc did say lets see how it looks when its healed up and then if its bad we can look at a referal to plastic surgery for skin graft or whatever - in many ways though id rather avoid having any more surgery!
Next dressing change is due Monday so i will report back on progress then, i also thought i might log the size of the wound and chart how quick it closes up.
I could do a line graph of GH dose vs wound healing time LOL - currently on 4 a day!

Iv put another post up about recovery & GH - be intersting to see what people think!

Littleluke

Jesus mate that's scary but an excellent insight!
This is the 4th winstrol infection I have seen now and it has put me off for life! I'll stick to the orals!

Sylar

Why? Statiscally your much safer with injectables.

I'm sure it wasn't Phill's intention to scare people off depots, just to highlight the dangers of mixing oils/water and Winnie.

Trenzyme

ive mixed oil and water a few times and shot winny and been ......
NEVER AGAIN!!!
sorry to preach but you should have gone to the docs much sooner
hope you heal up well ... good luck