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02-07-2003, 11:16 PM

alright i did my research and i think i am ready...i have some questions but this is what i think i will be doing

wk 1-4 D-bol @ 25mg ED
wk 1-8 Sust @ 250mg
wk 1-8 Deca @ 150mg
wk 11+ Clomid

i am 22 years old, about 175lbs, 5'9", about 20% BF...is this a good first cycle? should i take sust alone or stack with deca?

when and how do i take d-bol? with food? when i wake up? before i go to sleep? split throughout the day? .....

AND the infamous.....what kinda gains? i hear 1st cycle is 15-20lbs usually but i want to know if i will tighten up or blow up? i am aware of the water retention with d-bol but i am looking to lean up more than "inflate".

about my diet...what numbers should i look to put in me?
300 protein
4000 calories
?? carbs

thanks in advance

Raven · 03-07-2003, 01:42 AM

Yeah that's a fair enough first cycle but I would up the deca to 200mg PW and the d-bol to 30mg ED, Take 2 tabs 3 times daily spread evenly throughout.

If you want lean gains and not too much water bloat then you will need to be careful with your diet, 300g of protien is good but keep the junk food down and the carbs of good quality. I personally never go for the "lean gain" cycle as sonetimes it can be like hitting your head off a brick wall. I either bulk or cut and never try to do both but the choice is yours.

As for gains it's impossible to say but with your cycle, a good diet, rest etc then 15lbs of muscle is quite realistic.

Good luck and keep us posted

CONDOR · 03-07-2003, 01:48 PM

I'm with Raven just up the doses by a smidge and your ready to go.

**Great White** · 03-07-2003, 07:21 PM

Yes,

Thats a good 1st cycle mate.

My 1st cycle was

1-6: Dianabol (Pink Thai)@40mg ED
1-8: Sust250@ 500mg WK
8-12: Winny tabs@50mg ED

I gained a good 25lb and kept over 20lb

Protien, keep this over 300g if possible and carbs around the same, maybe a little more, i try hit 400g when bulking.

Fat is really up to you. I tend to try hit 80g - 100g when bulking.

Good luck, and keep us posted.

Paul

04-07-2003, 02:56 PM

i am not sure about using winny...i never looked it up and i have no clue about it...would using winny be better than using deca? and should i use winny tabs or injections?

i am located in USA so i know prices will be different but how much would d-bol cost me? and how much would winny or deca? sust250 is 15$US a shot but i have no clue how much the others cost...does 325$US sound right for 10 shots of deca? that was an estimate i got from my friend

also should i take creatine while on my cycle? my post workout shake has creatine, dextrose, ALA and protein in it...should i keep this or take out the creatine till after my cycle?

Mr T · 04-07-2003, 05:16 PM

yeah up the deca dose and it looks ok mate......

**Great White** · 06-07-2003, 02:25 PM

Dont use Winny instead of Deca mate.

run deca for the 8 weeks then winny for 3 weeks after that.

Carry on taking your supplements, you can take creatine during a cycle no problems.

Good luck bro

With regards to your prices. they seem a little high!

$15 for a amp of sust (£7) is very steep, usually about £3 - £4 here.

$325 for 10 amps of deca is rediculous!!!!! thats $32.50 a vial! here again it is £3 - £4 an vial

06-07-2003, 05:02 PM

Doesn't supprise me... over there an E costs around £25 too when over here there around £2-3

Biker · 06-07-2003, 08:16 PM

US domestic prices are much higher than UK prices mainly due to the differences in the law.

I don't really like discussing prices too much on the boards but you should be able to get both items for $10 - 12 a piece. I would say that your friend is making a few quid on top of what he's paying. There's plenty of good domestic US sources take your time I'm sure you'll find one eventually.

11-07-2003, 12:17 PM

If you want to reduce water retension, use 0.25-0.5mg arimidex weeks 1-8 (especially with the d-bol).

Use 30mg d-bol

Use 300-400mg deca and 300-400mg for the sus250 IMO. IMO you would get better results (in terms of water-retention-free gains) if you substituted deca for equipoise.

I would also use the deca and sus250 for 10 weeks, but also include some HCG @ 3000,3000,1500,1500 every five days, starting 2 weeks after your last injection.

**Great White** · 11-07-2003, 01:03 PM

If you cant afford Arimidex (Is very dear) then use Nolva+proviron. Almost as good, if not the same

CONDOR · 11-07-2003, 01:32 PM

Plus proviron gives you major stiffies at 50mgs ed and above!

02-07-2003, 11:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
jdmprelude Guest Posts: n/a	1st cycle alright i did my research and i think i am ready...i have some questions but this is what i think i will be doing wk 1-4 D-bol @ 25mg ED wk 1-8 Sust @ 250mg wk 1-8 Deca @ 150mg wk 11+ Clomid i am 22 years old, about 175lbs, 5'9", about 20% BF...is this a good first cycle? should i take sust alone or stack with deca? when and how do i take d-bol? with food? when i wake up? before i go to sleep? split throughout the day? ..... AND the infamous.....what kinda gains? i hear 1st cycle is 15-20lbs usually but i want to know if i will tighten up or blow up? i am aware of the water retention with d-bol but i am looking to lean up more than "inflate". about my diet...what numbers should i look to put in me? 300 protein 4000 calories ?? carbs thanks in advance

03-07-2003, 01:42 AM	#2 (permalink)
Raven Hardcore Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Bowery Posts: 849	Yeah that's a fair enough first cycle but I would up the deca to 200mg PW and the d-bol to 30mg ED, Take 2 tabs 3 times daily spread evenly throughout. If you want lean gains and not too much water bloat then you will need to be careful with your diet, 300g of protien is good but keep the junk food down and the carbs of good quality. I personally never go for the "lean gain" cycle as sonetimes it can be like hitting your head off a brick wall. I either bulk or cut and never try to do both but the choice is yours. As for gains it's impossible to say but with your cycle, a good diet, rest etc then 15lbs of muscle is quite realistic. Good luck and keep us posted __________________ To find what was lost you must first go back to the beginning and find it again To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. http://www.ucw.biz/

03-07-2003, 07:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
Great White Sexy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,272	Yes, Thats a good 1st cycle mate. My 1st cycle was 1-6: Dianabol (Pink Thai)@40mg ED 1-8: Sust250@ 500mg WK 8-12: Winny tabs@50mg ED I gained a good 25lb and kept over 20lb Protien, keep this over 300g if possible and carbs around the same, maybe a little more, i try hit 400g when bulking. Fat is really up to you. I tend to try hit 80g - 100g when bulking. Good luck, and keep us posted. Paul __________________ Welcome to Uk-Muscle.co.uk "I was born perfect, and just like the great white shark, have never had to evolve!" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Hardcore Bodybuilding & Powerlifting Community! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Bodybuilding & Sports Video Sharing Community!

04-07-2003, 05:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mr T Looking Freaky Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 709	yeah up the deca dose and it looks ok mate...... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

06-07-2003, 02:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
Great White Sexy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,272	Dont use Winny instead of Deca mate. run deca for the 8 weeks then winny for 3 weeks after that. Carry on taking your supplements, you can take creatine during a cycle no problems. Good luck bro With regards to your prices. they seem a little high! $15 for a amp of sust (£7) is very steep, usually about £3 - £4 here. $325 for 10 amps of deca is rediculous!!!!! thats $32.50 a vial! here again it is £3 - £4 an vial __________________ Welcome to Uk-Muscle.co.uk "I was born perfect, and just like the great white shark, have never had to evolve!" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Hardcore Bodybuilding & Powerlifting Community! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Bodybuilding & Sports Video Sharing Community!

03-07-2003, 01:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
CONDOR Gym Addict Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 269	I'm with Raven just up the doses by a smidge and your ready to go.

04-07-2003, 02:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
jdmprelude Guest Posts: n/a	i am not sure about using winny...i never looked it up and i have no clue about it...would using winny be better than using deca? and should i use winny tabs or injections? i am located in USA so i know prices will be different but how much would d-bol cost me? and how much would winny or deca? sust250 is 15$US a shot but i have no clue how much the others cost...does 325$US sound right for 10 shots of deca? that was an estimate i got from my friend also should i take creatine while on my cycle? my post workout shake has creatine, dextrose, ALA and protein in it...should i keep this or take out the creatine till after my cycle?

06-07-2003, 05:02 PM	#8 (permalink)
alex.rose Guest Posts: n/a	Doesn't supprise me... over there an E costs around £25 too when over here there around £2-3

06-07-2003, 08:16 PM	#9 (permalink)
Biker Part of the UK-M furniture... gathering dust in the corner :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 3,807	US domestic prices are much higher than UK prices mainly due to the differences in the law. I don't really like discussing prices too much on the boards but you should be able to get both items for $10 - 12 a piece. I would say that your friend is making a few quid on top of what he's paying. There's plenty of good domestic US sources take your time I'm sure you'll find one eventually. __________________ -- Biker To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. \| To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. \| To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

11-07-2003, 12:17 PM	#10 (permalink)
olly_whinnett Guest Posts: n/a	If you want to reduce water retension, use 0.25-0.5mg arimidex weeks 1-8 (especially with the d-bol). Use 30mg d-bol Use 300-400mg deca and 300-400mg for the sus250 IMO. IMO you would get better results (in terms of water-retention-free gains) if you substituted deca for equipoise. I would also use the deca and sus250 for 10 weeks, but also include some HCG @ 3000,3000,1500,1500 every five days, starting 2 weeks after your last injection.

11-07-2003, 01:03 PM	#11 (permalink)
Great White Sexy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,272	If you cant afford Arimidex (Is very dear) then use Nolva+proviron. Almost as good, if not the same __________________ Welcome to Uk-Muscle.co.uk "I was born perfect, and just like the great white shark, have never had to evolve!" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Hardcore Bodybuilding & Powerlifting Community! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Bodybuilding & Sports Video Sharing Community!

11-07-2003, 01:32 PM	#12 (permalink)
CONDOR Gym Addict Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 269	Plus proviron gives you major stiffies at 50mgs ed and above!

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