ShowMe

Hey guys, I just wanted to get some views from those that are currently on gear or have been in the past. I’m just looking at doing my first cycle (just a baby one to kick off with)

I’ve been doing a lot of research and man it really is a science. It’s taken me a few weeks of concentrated effort just to get a handle on the basics.


…anyway there always seems to be this stigma surrounding aas use…if you use then you are a cheater etc etc. I’m no expert but from what I have learned recently it seems that aas are anything but a miracle drug. It seems that you have to have your sh1t in order already before aas will do anything for you.


When on aas your diet has to be spot on to get the most gains, training has to be consistent and disciplined and then on top of that you have to have the mental aptitude to handle potentially dangerous drugs in a fashion that is safe whilst maximising gains with correct dosages, stacks, PCT etc.


So my point is, if you’re a lazy basta*d and you haven’t got the basics on the level then aas isn’t really gona do sh1t for you. To get the most out of aas you really need to be more committed and disciplined than ever.


So when people look at a well formed physique and say “year but I bet he’s on the juice” with a tone that implies he didn’t really earn it but rather just shot up some miracle sh1t, I think that’s crap.


For the guy’s that are on the gear how have you found the response from people knowing you’re on gear? Do they look down on you or do you even tell people?


Appreciate any feed back you guys have…

ShowMe

SportDr

Personally I never tell anyone despite being asked by my mum (bless), my dr (yike) and a few friends.

Unless they juice they will never understand and yes it is stigmatised with cheating and 'roid rage' so as such is veiwed like any other recreational drug.

People really don't realise the dedication and hard work that goes into every cycle, which is why the guys here always advice a very cautious approach 'only if all else fails' to steroid use. Get it wrong and you have wasted your money completely.

So when I make gains in strength or size, I don't feel like a cheater, I know it took a lot of dedication, research, diet, money, hard iron to get me there and I am proud of my achievement.

Regards

SD

Cheater2K

Different views from different people, alot of people in my area understand, my girlfriend understands, and most of all, i understand Who cares what people think, just keep everythign in order, get the most you can out of each cycle, and away you go

Aftershock

I just recently old my girlfriend, initially she took it really badly but she’s coming around now.

Its a weight off my mind to be honest because its no fun deceiving the people you love.....


P.S. can u tell I’m in PCT? lol sniffle sniffle

ShowMe

Thanks for your feedback guys...I guess it's each to their own in a lot of respects. My girlfriend knows I'm lining it up and she's cool with it but I don't know if I'll tell anyone else...not really their business anyway...

big pete

people just dont understand, period.

unless you are in the same boat, people dont like it. they dont like it that you are stronger/faster/bigger than them.

they call it cheating, which i do see there point, in a way it is. but who are we cheating?? personally im not an olympic athelete, so im not being tested and trying to be caught out. they say you cheating yourself????!!!! im not cheating myself, im BETTERING myself. someone once said...

" you can only move past your limitations by not accepting them"

too bloody true! if you convince yourself you can do it, its near impossible. im not accepting my limits, i WANT to be bigger. i WANT to be better. im not happy with being mediocre

and by no means its a quick fix solution, if you arent eating right or traing right it wont do **** for you except shut you down. and its not "fake muscle" it has come from hard graft, are they implants? is the muscle not grown from the food that we eat? or the stimulus we give it??

so thats my mini rant, and i must admit i had some better points to write, but i forgot them!!! lol. im good like that

il remember them soon and post back

John

people are of the mind set that if you take gear you just grow muscle,s, and hey we all know thats not the case, so apart from those close to you and your gp if you like, who cares what others think, i mean you could try to explain till your blue in the face and they,ll turn round and say its still cheating. Personally i say fcuk them, anyway i think with a few of the guys in that field, its jealousy they prob wanna do them to but are to scared of trying the drug and puting in the effort down the gym.

John

i think winger would argue that point with you , just kidding winger;) .

Mad Dog

The whole thing boils down to the fact that the general public are fed a diet of scandal and fear, if they dont understand something then its seen as wierd and wrong. How can it be wrong to better yourself? How can it be wierd to want to put the effort into your body to look your best?

Aftershock

I think a big part of the stigma comes from injecting guys. I know its safer but try telling that to the average Joe in the street, he'll thing ur barking mad!!!

Predator

So John, Winger has been private mailing you his special pics as well. ;)

Lol, just kidding guys.

Predator

John

thanks for the reprieve at the end predator, that could have got messy, lol by the way " you got time to duck";) good movie mate, its on 2nite 10pm itv2 .

Anders

Yeah, there is definately a stigma attached to aas use. Here's my long-winded take on it all:

What hasn't helped it are the ridiculous and unfounded newspaper articles and television documentaries that go for the "WOW" factor or to improve their ratings by shocking the readers/viewers.

Poor education seems to be a major problem because not only does it mean that uneducated people readily accept all these convincingly written bullsh*t stories you read about and see in newspapers/on tv, but because they don't understand about aas, they feel threatened and intimidated and in fear of the people who do use aas and get better results. I think subconciously, there is primevil competition between people to be the best or better than their rivals, and so when regular gym users see aas users who are bigger and stronger than them, they do feel threatened. And so to reduce the threat of others, people do try and put-down aas users and cast them in a bad light. In defence of their own egos and pride, their natural reaction is to retaliate for those people who do use aas - for example: "It makes your willy small....", "You're cheating...", "All the muscle turns to fat when you stop taking them..." etc etc etc

I agree that there is an issue with the quality of steroids and the risk of fakes - but this is becuase of the underground scene that has emerged due to the legal status of aas. As a result, there is a legitimate stigma about this, but most people don't focus on this side of the aas stigma.

If people stood back and thought about it for a minute, most people take supplements of some concotion or another every day without question, and although they aren't comparative to aas in strength or effect, these people have basically been persuaded to buy products purely by the marketing and/or rhetoric behind it. And I bet their research pales in comparison to the research most aas users undertake before starting out.

Additionally, people do take steroidal treatments from doctors, and its funny how people who are prescribed steroid based tablets etc, readily take them and boast about the effects from the prescription...

Most people I have spoken with outside of these forums have frowned on aas use, and when I have simply asked them "why?" they have generally been unable to answer with a constructive criticism because they are uneducated about aas. So, it is generally a stigma brought about by media.
My parents and girlfriend were the same intially too, but after spending more time educating them, and reassuring them on my progress in aas education, they actually became supportive.
Other people in my life have no business knowing, so they are not informed and I'm happy with that situation.

Its funny how products like creatine were intially developed and people reacted in the same way as aas, but now its so popular that plenty of research has been conducted on it and recently I saw it in a product for womens face cream or something!
Also, there are many products available to bodybuilders that are expensive and don't actually build much permanent muscle at all - and there isn't much research on these products, yet because reputable companies stock them, people are persuaded by advertising and again buy and use without question.

Basically, there is always going to be a stigma about aas, until they become more readily accepted and this will only happen when the powers that be wake up to the whole aas movement rather than denying it and perform significant research on aas and dare I say, even legalise the sale/purchase of them to move it away from the underground and make it safer.
It is my belief that this research is beginning to happen now with frequent aas scandals in olympics etc and subsequent aas research journals I am aware exist and with TV documentaries such as the recent Australian testosterone enanthate study.

/rant off

Hope it makes sense?

Regs,

Anders

ShowMe

Great post Anders...some really good points. I agree, people fear what they don't understand. You'll find that a lot of people will puff on a cig and munch on a big mac while they give you their take on the health risks of aas.