ShaunMc

This is not meant to be a criticism of those new to bodybuilding but to me bodybuilding is about getting your **** to a gym and lifting weights and then bigger weights then feeding your muscles with lots of good food and then more food, then at some point when you have reached your natural limit taking some gear. Some guys on this site seem to be overly obsessed with the pharmacological side of things before they have even begun to explore their genetic limit. i train coz i love training and lifting weights and pushing myself to the limit . i take gear as its neccesary for my progression and its impossible to compete without it

my gripe is with guys who have been training 5 minutes who post up a pic of themselves that suggests they have very little development and then alongside this they will ask "do i cycle tren with d bol or d bol with growth as i read on the back of a stamp that the receptors respond to blah blah blah " like its going to make the slighest difference when you have so much training to do first ??????

The chemical side is interesting but if its more interesting than lifting heavy iron then go get a ****ing chemisty degree ( i have a degree in chemistry and i missed half my lectures to train... not the other way round lol)

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Mrdaveyk

completely agree in terms of my frame of mind as of yours

however when i reach my limit thats it for me

it will just be maintenance

ShaunMc

One of the reasons the top guys dont like to chat about gear is that any questions implies their success was due to some magical stack or substance .... how many of us have been annoyed at Joe Public pointing at us and saying "you look like that coz u take steroids" ..... and you think what about the 15 years of training, sweating blood , injuries , endless dedication, food bills etc etc etc

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Ziricote

I think this site is fairly good at steering folk away from steroids for as long as they can. Seems that the american based sites are a free for all to see what stick man can take the most orals.

ShaunMc

dont get me wrong i am not anti steroid , and this site is an excellent forum for discussion of the topic, my concern is with the frame of mind of some of the guys who seem overly obsessed with the chemistry of steroids, i feel this detracts away from the true culture of bodybuilding which first and foremost is about lifting weights and developing oneself

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Pscarb

it has been said in the past the success i have acheived in bodybuilding is just down to the drugs this p1ssed me off big time but then i proved them wrong when i dropped my dose by 2/3rds and gained more than ever.....

Shaun.....just to correct you mate on your first post it is not impossible to compete without steroids...

Pscarb

you will never change this mind set as it is peer pressure that causes most of it, most but not all young guys turn to gear to impress their mates and girls with arm development in the night club on saturday night they don't care about diet or what it takes to build solid arms......you see them in most gyms training in crowds of 4-5.....

Geo

I hear what your saying dude, and i agree. It took me 9 years to decide i wanted to use gear. This site does help those who have made the decision to use, young or old. It gives them the chance to use the stuff correct and not screw up by using wrong doses, types, etc.

One is only classed as a bodybuilder when one, trains, eats correct for many years and then diet's for 12-15wks and steps on stage.

Geo

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ShaunMc

sorry Paul i stand corrected ... what i should have said was its impossible to compete without training ..... The post really was as a result of a lot of guys who seem to think of bodybuilding in terms of "what drugs do i need to take and when and how do they work and how will they effect me and can i take more oh yes and once thats sorted i better lift some weights "

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Tatyana

Ta Paul.

I love the pharmaceutical side of BBing, but I don't use any PEDs.

I hate the abuse of PEDs, actually any drug, reccie or medical, basically when people don't do any basic research and be responsible for their own well being and what they put in their bodies.

I find the application has me understand a lot of biochem and physiology better.

It is a big tendency right now to want it now, well, not even now, want it yesterday.

It just doesn't work that way.

This is the secret to a great physique:

Butt busting work + consistency + time = results.

Burn that into your head and quit looking for quick fixes and secrets, they don't exist, and drugs only make it a wee bit easier

hackskii

Bump for home.

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ShaunMc

Paul im sure you would agree that your sucess is a result of your drive and determination and getting to the gym and pushing yourself .. anything you may have done pharmacologically has aided that process but is not responsible for what you have achieved it has merely helped it..... success comes from consistent hard work in the gym and consistent good eating outside of it

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Pscarb

yes mate in fact i would say pre-2005 i started to ruin my physique with the abuse of steroids in a way...

the one thing that changed after my year off was my knowledge of diet and training this has pushed me to new hights in bodybuilding not the drugs i use, don't misunderstand they have contributed but they are not the main reason i acheived a top 3 place at this year Britain that was busting my gut in the gym and the kitchen.....

i was not this smart about drugs when i started just like many others, i was one of these kids who started to young and had no idea what role training and diet plays in the big picture but then those who succeed learn from their mistakes......

Tat i proved you can compete and win without steroids in 2006 when i won my class and the overall at the NABBA West without steroids for 1yr.....

ShaunMc

I enjoy training and competing but do not consider myself to be a particularly gifted or good bodybuilder ... after competing this year i realised there is lots i needed to do

1. Bring up my weaker parts
2. Hit the gym with more focus and drive in order to get the most from each session
3. Eat cleaner in the off season
4. Re evaluate some of my training methods

I dont think the answer is a new and exciting combination of gear , i just wish some of these guys posting looked in the mirror and honestly evaluated their physiques and did nit look for the quick answer

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Blofeld

Well written. This has to be true of all successful bodybuilders. And as you say, the vast majority are quick to pass judgement on something they know nothing about, and I can imagine this to be very frustrating.