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29-06-2008, 07:56 PM
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| jagnut  Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: norfolk
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    | Re: Bodybuilding or the Pursuit of Pharmacology In my pursuit of building the body i want, iv'e found that understanding the pharmakonetics of what i take a helpful tool to aid my progress.
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29-06-2008, 09:26 PM
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| Re: Bodybuilding or the Pursuit of Pharmacology Quote:
The purpose they were intended was in my case "The recovery of muscle mass after serious illness" in my case. You think that avatar picture is bad...you should see my base 3 years ago! I train very hard and my diet is pretty good so why can't i accelerate the process, i want different things than you do, what i want is to be happy to take my top off and not feel like a freak ...HUH not much to ask for is it! but it would mean the world to me! To say that a human being saving his and his families life and well being is not as important as strutting your stuff with a slightly bigger chest is laughable! He would be accelerating the process by taking steroids even with bad training and a bad diet to the point that he could stick up for himself a lot quicker which could mean the difference between life or death. Last edited by cwoody123; 29-06-2008 at 09:28 PM. | |
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29-06-2008, 09:50 PM
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| Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising each time we do  Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Swindon
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| Re: Bodybuilding or the Pursuit of Pharmacology Quote:
i still think your perception of these drugs is skewed if you think taking them will help someone save their family .. steroids do not build large muscles ... they may aid the process when combined with heavy resistance training that overloads the muscle combined with a high protein diet. Much of the most dramatic effects are seen in already well trained muscle tissue that is already heavily adapted to training overload. The only thing you are doing at present is reinforcing my initial point that a large number of individuals are preoccupied with the chemical side of the sport at the expense of the sport itself... this leads to a belief that it is the drugs that build physiques and not the training.
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29-06-2008, 09:52 PM
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| UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion  Join Date: Jan 2005
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 | Re: Bodybuilding or the Pursuit of Pharmacology how did i say it was not important?? to try to save your family through getting stronger using steroids to beat an abusive father?? i said it was not the quick fix he would think it was even less so without diet and training being in place, as for your comment about a big chest and strutting your stuff being important is that and the freak comment aimed at me ?? as you will find that any one who takes steroids is considered a freak at what ever level by the general public and i don't need or desire to strut my stuff mate i do that onstage no in the street.... so have you reco9vered from the serious illness?? if so why are you still using them? muscle growth i would expect so your little preach about using them for the purpose they where intended for kinda goes out the window now don't you think...if not then answer what i asked about prescription steroids you obvouisly received for the illness. As i said in my previous post i am not against anyone using steroids it is a personal choice i think to many use them as a quick fix for muscle gain when they in my opinion are not ready for them again in my opinion outside the medical use you should not be using them you think you should so we disagree but please don't try to defend guys using them with no base in diet and training as a good thing.....
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29-06-2008, 09:59 PM
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| Re: Bodybuilding or the Pursuit of Pharmacology I think in general the use of steroids has a negative stigma in society. It is bad enough Joe public thinks many of us are drug addicts anyway. Joe Public would not accept any reason for us to use gear. I would be upset enough trying to explain to others my use yet alone defend myself to another person that is on sterods suggesting that I or someone else not use. End of the day, we all have our own reason's and nobody's reason's are better than anyone else's with the exception of a medical one.
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29-06-2008, 10:00 PM
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| Re: Bodybuilding or the Pursuit of Pharmacology imagine this conversation taking place between Lewis Hamilton (F1 driver and a newbie driver) Lewis: Im looking to improve my performance next year and i am looking at improving aspects of my driving Newbie: Have you tried this new hi tech petrol it makes my car go really fast Lewis: No, will get my pit guys to look at it but more importantly i think gotta spend more time at the wheel improving my skill Newbie: Why bother , i use this petrol and my car goes much faster. I leave everyone behind on the M25 its great. Lewis: But it dont make you a better driver it just makes your car go faster on a public highway, besides most people on M25 are not racing against you. Newbie: Why would i waste time becoming a better driver, everyone looks at me and how fast i go when i use this fuel... u drive fast i drive fast i just havent wasted my time with years of dedication. Lewis: But that dont make you a good driver just someone who is completely deluded 
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29-06-2008, 10:06 PM
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| Re: Bodybuilding or the Pursuit of Pharmacology Great post shaun .. I use gear but I love lifting ... if I could never take gear again I would still lift .. that's why I go to the gym .. gear just makes the experience that bit more rewarding  Woody .. if you're on gear you should ask for your money back mate!! By taking gear from the get go the only place to go dose and med wise is up .. you have no base to fall back on. |
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29-06-2008, 10:06 PM
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29-06-2008, 10:17 PM
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29-06-2008, 10:21 PM
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29-06-2008, 11:09 PM
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| Re: Bodybuilding or the Pursuit of Pharmacology Woody had a prolactin secreting tumor that shut down his testosterone production and gave him excess prolactin, that caused him to grow tits and massive bellyfat. This was for 10 years as he was growing up as a young man. This allowed him to not be able to have sex, not be able to carry any muscle and gave him a lot of fat. They operated on the tumor, he restarted his HPTA, got his gyno fixed and got a tummy tuck. Now he is in the process of being normal like a man and has been training for about 3 years. The reason I suggest this is because he had no muscle where guys his age had tons. It was not his wish but he had a tumor. All he wants to do is play catch up. Can you seriously blame him? In my opinion, he deserves to use gear more than anyone, he is a better candidate than anyone to use because he got cheated as a young man. So, he had a 10 year set back, by the time he got to his genetic potential he would be an old man. Hell, by the time he caught up to where he was supposed to be normally he would be in his 30’s. So before anyone suggests or not suggests for someone to use or not use, please look at the circumstances at hand and see past what is ones opinions. This will allow you to make more informed judgments on others.
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29-06-2008, 11:10 PM
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| Re: Bodybuilding or the Pursuit of Pharmacology Marsbar i have edited your post as i can see it leading to a slanging match, lets keep this debate just that a debate far to many threads go the wrong way.... no one is trying to say don't use steroids but use them when you have a decent base to fall back on, if you never really looked into diet and training without gear how do you know how your body will truly react....
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29-06-2008, 11:15 PM
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| Re: Bodybuilding or the Pursuit of Pharmacology Scott that is fine but not all men at woodys age have tons of muscle mate, i knew about the tumour and this is definitely not a place i would like to be but why not having the muscle others have justify steroid use?? why not research diet and training and build a natural base over the 3yrs he has been training? then when he has reached a certain level then add the steroids whats the rush?? it is not as if he is competing so plenty of time. as i said before this is not a dig at woody well as long as the strut and freak comments where not aimed at me.... we all make choices and have our own opinions woody's choice was to use steroids and his opinion is that he is right to do so, my opinion is that he was and still is not ready to use steroids to get the maximum benefit from them.....no one is wrong no one is right....it is personal choice....
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