Bodybuilding or the Pursuit of Pharmacology - Page 2 - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

Mrdaveyk · 27-06-2008, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pscarb

you will never change this mind set as it is peer pressure that causes most of it, most but not all young guys turn to gear to impress their mates and girls with arm development in the night club on saturday night they don't care about diet or what it takes to build solid arms......you see them in most gyms training in crowds of 4-5.....

had that the other day, some **** was stomping back and fore about his ex misses and all this

p!ssed me off so much i got a few extra reps in

Mrdaveyk · 27-06-2008, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pscarb

yes mate in fact i would say pre-2005 i started to ruin my physique with the abuse of steroids in a way...

the one thing that changed after my year off was my knowledge of diet and training this has pushed me to new hights in bodybuilding not the drugs i use, don't misunderstand they have contributed but they are not the main reason i acheived a top 3 place at this year Britain that was busting my gut in the gym and the kitchen.....

i was not this smart about drugs when i started just like many others, i was one of these kids who started to young and had no idea what role training and diet plays in the big picture but then those who succeed learn from their mistakes......

Tat i proved you can compete and win without steroids in 2006 when i won my class and the overall at the NABBA West without steroids for 1yr.....

for the nattys, myself included those are some inspirational words to know that we are not always missing out on gains

obviously theres a big discussion about that but to keep it simple, you saying the year helped you and your dietry knowledge really gives abit of a sigh of relief

im dreading the day i hit my natural limit as im unsure of what i shall do to be fair

time is on my side right now though and those thoughts are of the future

Con · 27-06-2008, 11:46 PM

lmao at this thread in general.

Some people wish to look good with minimal work these people are akin to girls who get liposuction and fake breasts, is either goal more nobel of course not good lord every one to their own.
Just because you like to grunt and groan doesnt make you better than any one else.
I personally am one of the guys who thinks training and diet is the most important thing and every thing else is just icing but i am not so arrogant as to pass judgement on others.

Liam · 28-06-2008, 12:13 AM

One thing that annoys me and plays on my mind alot: I train hard and do my best to eat really well yet i know there are guys down the gym that don't have anywhere near my commitment but are bigger and stronger.

Tatyana · 28-06-2008, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Liam

One thing that annoys me and plays on my mind alot: I train hard and do my best to eat really well yet i know there are guys down the gym that don't have anywhere near my commitment but are bigger and stronger.

That is the way the genetic cookie crumbles sometimes. It is not always the gear. People respond differently to steroids too, and that is genetic.

Sucks, not fair, but that is how it is.

Mrdaveyk · 28-06-2008, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Liam

One thing that annoys me and plays on my mind alot: I train hard and do my best to eat really well yet i know there are guys down the gym that don't have anywhere near my commitment but are bigger and stronger.

im a right competitive git and its guys like that, that keep me on the ball

my deadlift for example, some of the huge guys are lifting about 30/40kg less than me and i could see them watching me in the mirror today

just keep ya chin up mate, if you have a better diet at some point you are inevitably going to be up to par with them as you have something they wont

patience is all you need

**Pscarb** · 28-06-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrdaveyk

you saying the year helped you and your dietry knowledge really gives abit of a sigh of relief

yes mate exactly that, i did know plenty before this time as i had been succesful but in this year i had to pay more attention to diet and training so that i could keep ontop when you have used gear for as long as i had at that time this was hard going....
i can pretty much garentee many guys fill the void that is left by not paying attention to diet with steroids i know this as i used to do it myself, since taking the time to see how my body reacts to different diets and training both on and off the gear has been shown in the results i have had over the last 3yrs....

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Originally Posted by Con

I personally am one of the guys who thinks training and diet is the most important thing and every thing else is just icing.

Con i think this was Shaun's point to the thread mate

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Originally Posted by Liam

One thing that annoys me and plays on my mind alot: I train hard and do my best to eat really well yet i know there are guys down the gym that don't have anywhere near my commitment but are bigger and stronger.

Genetics mate nothing you can do about it, mind you ever considered you are overtraining??

colinidj · 28-06-2008, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaunMc

This is not meant to be a criticism of those new to bodybuilding but to me bodybuilding is about getting your **** to a gym and lifting weights and then bigger weights then feeding your muscles with lots of good food and then more food, then at some point when you have reached your natural limit taking some gear. Some guys on this site seem to be overly obsessed with the pharmacological side of things before they have even begun to explore their genetic limit. i train coz i love training and lifting weights and pushing myself to the limit . i take gear as its neccesary for my progression and its impossible to compete without it

my gripe is with guys who have been training 5 minutes who post up a pic of themselves that suggests they have very little development and then alongside this they will ask "do i cycle tren with d bol or d bol with growth as i read on the back of a stamp that the receptors respond to blah blah blah " like its going to make the slighest difference when you have so much training to do first ??????

The chemical side is interesting but if its more interesting than lifting heavy iron then go get a ****ing chemisty degree ( i have a degree in chemistry and i missed half my lectures to train... not the other way round lol)

have to agree with you on this mate lots of people askin what to take an givin advice on what to take and sometimes look like they've only been in the gym a month when you see a pic , you and your girlfriend both eatin well now after all that dietin dunno how you got through dieting together we met at the britain we we're both class one hope eveything is good with you both

ShaunMc · 28-06-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by colinidj

have to agree with you on this mate lots of people askin what to take an givin advice on what to take and sometimes look like they've only been in the gym a month when you see a pic , you and your girlfriend both eatin well now after all that dietin dunno how you got through dieting together we met at the britain we we're both class one hope eveything is good with you both

alright mate how things going ... r u doing the universe in october. Im off diet now and enjoying eating lots again. The missus has been off diet too but starts again monday. To be honest dieting together was not too bad as we were both too drained to argue with each other .. ha ha

im not competing till next year now just trying to get a lot more mass on my frame as felt i was too light this year

dru0111 · 28-06-2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrdaveyk

however when i reach my limit thats it for me

it will just be maintenance

Hi five to that

Natural's rock

**hackskii** · 28-06-2008, 07:05 PM

It takes years to reach your natural genetic limit.
I dont agree that you are ready to use roids once you hit your limit.
For one, once you go past your gentic limit with gear, your natty hormones wont keep you there.
So, what is next, stay on?

Remember guys, they do give steroids to Aids paitents and others with muscle waisting and they end up with more lean mass, even without training.
I am playing devils advocate here.
In the end, it is all about choices, and those you own.

cwoody123 · 28-06-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaunMc

This is not meant to be a criticism of those new to bodybuilding but to me bodybuilding is about getting your **** to a gym and lifting weights and then bigger weights then feeding your muscles with lots of good food and then more food, then at some point when you have reached your natural limit taking some gear. Some guys on this site seem to be overly obsessed with the pharmacological side of things before they have even begun to explore their genetic limit. i train coz i love training and lifting weights and pushing myself to the limit . i take gear as its neccesary for my progression and its impossible to compete without it

my gripe is with guys who have been training 5 minutes who post up a pic of themselves that suggests they have very little development and then alongside this they will ask "do i cycle tren with d bol or d bol with growth as i read on the back of a stamp that the receptors respond to blah blah blah " like its going to make the slighest difference when you have so much training to do first ??????

The chemical side is interesting but if its more interesting than lifting heavy iron then go get a ****ing chemisty degree ( i have a degree in chemistry and i missed half my lectures to train... not the other way round lol)

You mean like me mate

It is easy to make presumptions by looking at some pics...in my case i feel i am fully justified with what i am doing. Just coz i do not conform to your rules about getting big through diet and training first does not mean i have less right optimize my anabolic profile just like you!

**Pscarb** · 28-06-2008, 11:23 PM

using steroids is your choice woody what he is saying why choose before you have developed a decent physique through diet and training?? it is a perfectly good question really...

Con · 28-06-2008, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hackskii

It takes years to reach your natural genetic limit.
I dont agree that you are ready to use roids once you hit your limit.
For one, once you go past your gentic limit with gear, your natty hormones wont keep you there.
So, what is next, stay on?

Disagree MANY very large bbs have come off for extended periods of time and held a ton of size more than their natural genetics would have ever allowed. There are many variables not just test levels when it comes to muscle.
Ian Harrison is a great example of this having held 260lb and being clean for two years (read it when i was reading some trevor smith stuff) and how about the sites very own pscarb he competed without aas one year and i am sure he would agree he had much more than his genetic potential(through only natural unassistant bodybuilding).

I think this myth hinders many people and forces them to abuse them self due to fear......JMO

cwoody123 · 29-06-2008, 12:15 AM

What i am saying is some people use steroids for other reasons than just increasing there natural limit...some people including myself use these drugs for what they were intentended ...i just don't like it when people make presumptions based on some one's first post without knowing a thing about there history.

If we are talking about the moral use of steroids then NONE of you healthy males should even touch these drugs as they are for SICK people only, it does not matter if you are a seasoned BB or a newbie.

So all get of your moral high ground and accept that if somebody comes on here asking for help about starting drugs then instead of dissing them, why not educate them in to what they are getting there selves into and also take into account there history before lecturing people.

Some of you are far to quick to judge...especially since you yourself have no real medical justification to use the steroid meds in any case!

27-06-2008, 11:46 PM	#18 (permalink)
Con Planning Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,108	Re: Bodybuilding or the Pursuit of Pharmacology lmao at this thread in general. Some people wish to look good with minimal work these people are akin to girls who get liposuction and fake breasts, is either goal more nobel of course not good lord every one to their own. Just because you like to grunt and groan doesnt make you better than any one else. I personally am one of the guys who thinks training and diet is the most important thing and every thing else is just icing but i am not so arrogant as to pass judgement on others.

28-06-2008, 12:13 AM	#19 (permalink)
Liam Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Newcastle Posts: 1,290	Re: Bodybuilding or the Pursuit of Pharmacology One thing that annoys me and plays on my mind alot: I train hard and do my best to eat really well yet i know there are guys down the gym that don't have anywhere near my commitment but are bigger and stronger.

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hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,172	Re: Bodybuilding or the Pursuit of Pharmacology It takes years to reach your natural genetic limit. I dont agree that you are ready to use roids once you hit your limit. For one, once you go past your gentic limit with gear, your natty hormones wont keep you there. So, what is next, stay on? Remember guys, they do give steroids to Aids paitents and others with muscle waisting and they end up with more lean mass, even without training. I am playing devils advocate here. In the end, it is all about choices, and those you own. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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cwoody123 Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Berkshire Posts: 745	Re: Bodybuilding or the Pursuit of Pharmacology What i am saying is some people use steroids for other reasons than just increasing there natural limit...some people including myself use these drugs for what they were intentended ...i just don't like it when people make presumptions based on some one's first post without knowing a thing about there history. If we are talking about the moral use of steroids then NONE of you healthy males should even touch these drugs as they are for SICK people only, it does not matter if you are a seasoned BB or a newbie. So all get of your moral high ground and accept that if somebody comes on here asking for help about starting drugs then instead of dissing them, why not educate them in to what they are getting there selves into and also take into account there history before lecturing people. Some of you are far to quick to judge...especially since you yourself have no real medical justification to use the steroid meds in any case! Last edited by cwoody123; 29-06-2008 at 12:22 AM.