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Old 13-06-2008, 09:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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gains whist off cycle

what gains do you guys see whist off cycle???
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Old 14-06-2008, 01:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: gains whist off cycle

Would depend where they are in terms of training and using gear.

Someone still new to the game could make decent gains between cycles where as someone years down the road would have a hard time gaining between cycles especially if they have reached or passed their genetic/natural limit.

a bit on the fence with that answer sorry but I'm not sure it can be a clear ut answe.
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Old 14-06-2008, 02:03 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: gains whist off cycle

Water loss, cardio is better
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Old 14-06-2008, 02:15 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Yep i second that i can run again
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what gains do you guys see whist off cycle???
An increase in tolerance of idiots
An immune system that doesnt want to collapse at any given moment
A heavier wallet
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Re: gains whist off cycle

ive recently gained a few pounds off cycle but using peptides
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Re: gains whist off cycle

i do sometimes gain weight off cycle but not strength, generally AAS hamper my appetite which obviously is a big factor in gaining weight, ive been at my heaviest at just under 19 stone on a low dose test and deca cycle, whereas on a strong test, tren, deca, GH cycle my weight generally stays between 17 4lb and 18 stone, however look much leaner at this weight.
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Old 14-06-2008, 07:48 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: gains whist off cycle

Just a quicky lads.
So your saying you dont gain size or strength off cycle at all? therefore truely at your nat limit?

Find that hard to imagine at the moment, maybe im just naive.
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So your saying you dont gain size or strength off cycle at all? therefore truely at your nat limit?

Find that hard to imagine at the moment, maybe im just naive.
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Fair point.

So is it a case of dont or cant then?
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Re: gains whist off cycle

During PCT androgen levels can be seriously compromised as well as catabolic hormones can be an issue.
This is not the best recipe for sucess.
Lean tissue can be compromised.
I doubt you will make gains under these conditions.
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Re: gains whist off cycle

you can always make natural gains steroids arnt the doo's all ends all

maybe not on pct but eventually once the water has gone you would start to improve with a good diet and training routine

then these very small improvements if made would be alot larger while back on cycle
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Cheers jjb1 & Hackskii, Exactly what i was looking for.
Didnt even think about the effect PCT would be having on your body.

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