Con

TBH mate thats a personal issue for me and i dont wish to talk about it, not because the doses are massive but because i now live in the states so i distance my self away from any such talk in person and online.
I will say 1g total per week is the norm for me if that helps.

bigacb

Yeh no probs i completely understand.

Lost Soul

Peer group preasure, the mass use and supply of gear and internet communities are responsible for much of the uneducated gear use..

anyway



MAkes this post seem a touch funnier



http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/general-c...ood-shape.html

thats funny man

bulkaholic

James1988,

You seem to be taking the right approach and seem to be switched on

You are right to do plenty of research. I would also research diet etc. I only metion this as I havbe recently made a bit fcuk up with last cycle. I was still working off my old body weight from a few years back for my maintenance calories. Didn't make anywhere near the gains i could of. Had i upped calories another 500 it would be a different story.

I have gained more in the last 4-5 months since coming on here (thanks to great diet and training advice) than i had in years previous(when training).

I honestly thought i knew what a bulking diet looks like but appears i didn't

Am i glad I cycled? Yes as it made me stop the beer which was a huge problem.

Could I have achieved it natural? I think so with more patience but it's done now.

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wogihao

I would probably echo what others have said, most if not all of us use before reaching the natural limit. Thats not in question like whats been said before, how do you know when your there?

Also you have to consider time/risk/reward the longer your training the more chance there is of some serious injury that could take you out of the game completely. Now I for one would rather that my injury happened after i got massive than if i was still looking like a gay stripper.

Now think about this, if you have say 10 years of training, what is more productive spending 8 years hitting your head against a brick wall and looking like a underwear model or takeing the plunge and getting freaky?

Im not saying take the meds from the first day in the gym (like arnold did - what did he know..)

But be realistic with your risk/reward assement and your goals. nobodys going to regonise a natural bodybuilder in street clothes. If you want to be a massive fella you will need good genetic responce to the medication/ an ok diet (gluttony)/ and ok training. Dont be under the impression that you can be massive without the gear because its just not true. (unless were talking 30%bf)

Now if you want to have a good bod for the club to pull some ass, sure you dont need to take steriods - but most do because its the easy option. who has 5 years of hard training just to look good in a club - you see the motivation/reward is just not high enough.

however someone who has there heart set on competeing as a true natrual then thats a diffrent story the motivation is much higher.

if someone said to me "can i compete in the EFBB natural?" i would say no, thats just being honest and stopping the guy waisting his time. What would be the point in feeding the guy/girl BS. If thats your goal - to compete in a open fed then you need to accept certain realitys.

Look at guys like Jay C, ect he said he never went into a gym till he was 18 yet two years later he was competeing and was huge... not being a doubter or anything but your looking at a lad who was most likely off his tits on gear very early on. despite his gentic potential to look like a fridge you dont get that big even with a genetic full house without somthing extra in the mix.

This type of debate will always result in arguments for and against, I can only give my personal opinion and that is that its better to wait till your an adult - fully grown so thats 21 for most. The risks are greater when you are younger than when your a fully developed man/woman. There are many cases in the former USSR where because of cultural pressure children as young as 2 years old are given anabolic steriods to increase there size/weight (as there are many local ledgends about huge children).

They have many long term complications, alough an extreem example there are many others from the ages up to 18 when you see far greater side efects. Look at the GDR and USSR athletic performance programs. And these were closely monitored by coaches and doctors yet they still had long term health issues.

chrisj22

I love you.

Fcuk me mate, grow up.

mikex101

OP, (im pretty new to the whole juice thing so bare with me)
I dont think its a case of doing it before your natural limit. I think its more a case of doing them before you really know how your body reacts to training & Nutrition which is gonna take a couple of years atleast.

You pass your motorbike test and jump on a hayabusa! your gonna die lol. Same princlple. work up to them.

Lost Soul

or as wogi said

taking anadrol for a first cycle is like fisting a virgin on the first date...or words similar to those....

mikex101

PMSL!! LOL the whole ****ing office wants to know what im laughing at

Lost Soul

Offer a practical demonstration asking for male and female volunteers

mikex101

Well, i know the receptionists a dirty bitch, ill ask if shes up for it. She no Virgin like!

wogihao

Yea anadrol for the first cycle is like fisting a virgin on your first date, fun but overkill & will probably leave a mess.

But just like the virgin fisting some do not care.

Methyl-Tren would be the equivlant of useing a broken bottle. come on its only a matter of time before someone comes on saying that was there first cycle.

Lost Soul

2nd and 3rd and now they are wondering if its ok to use createeeen and multivits with their dballz

GH seems to be a popular first course sans gear at the moment too for rapid fat loss and blistering muscle gains

bb the great

i got back from uni a couple of weeks ago and was talking to a friend who wants to get into training properly. he said he was going to join the gym on monday and that he was getting some hgh to stack along with sus and deca for his 1st cycle because someone in work told him to.

what a tool.

ba baracuss

ffs