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Old 19-09-2004, 12:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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talking to a pro today
this guy i talked to today reckons he does 4g of sust a week, and has been doing so for nearly a year at this point, granted he was one of the biggest guys ive ever seen, he says hes 280ish and i wouldnt disagree, he then goes on to ask me what my cycle is, i tell him 250 test every 4 days for 5 weeks and he inadvertently gave me this face, kinda like thats the biggest pussy cycle ever.

anyway he goes on to say why only 5 weeks, minimum he'd ever bother with would be 6 months at triple that dose.
i countered this by saying i was doing 5 tabs dbol a day as well, and then he tells me arn'uld was doing 50 tabs a day.

i know plenty of guys who've been on dbol for over 6 months, and another guy i met a few years back in australia was injecting 3ml test every day.

Am i missing somthing? are these ppl the norm? because the more ppl i talk to the more it seems guys like us on here are the exception, not the majority small volume, small time on.
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Old 19-09-2004, 07:03 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Good topic! This should prove an interesting discussions.

High doses are common in bodybuilding/powerlifting, so is staying on for a long time. Once you get to a certain size, it's very hard to gain mass, even on steroids, unless your doses are high and/or your time on is long.

What you have to remember though is even though he's having good gains now - what do you think will happen when he finally comes off the juice?

I do have to say that your 5 weeks on test isn't long enough though. It takes about that to fully kick in, and then you're stopping. Go for 10 weeks on the same dose.

The fact of the matter is, if you're growing sufficiently on 500mg/week, stick to 500mg/week. If you REALLY need 4g/week to grow, and you want to get bigger, there's not a lot you can do except for take 4g/week.

To be honest mate, it depends what your goals are. If you want to be a pro and come in at 280, then you'll need to stay on at higher doses. If you just want to get stronger, improve your body and look/feel better, then you'll probably never ever need to go above a gram of juice TOTAL per week (e.g. 500sus+400deca).
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Old 19-09-2004, 10:56 AM   #3 (permalink)
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not uncommon, I know one guy that's lifted a few irish titles over the years and he goes on f0r 10 months at a time, and that would include using dbol for 10 months!
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a guy at my gym is on it all year round the only times he comes off is when he runs outta gear or money, he's ben on test and deca for nearly 6 months!!! thats gonna b crash and a half i'm sure!!

i'm mates with his girl and she said he has problems gettin it up now! i was like just wait......
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I think its more common than people realise. Alot of these big lads who say they do time off time on are just kidding themselves imo. Im not saying all but most.

I tal;k to a few of them down the gym and its like i only use a bit of sust now and again when in reality its probably a shot everyday all year round.
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bumping big

4g test per week isnt a high dose for a pro anyway

there are guys out there using up to 1.5g test ED

as Big says, stick to your doses as a recreational bb'er and only up the doses as and when you need.

For the record.....my training partner is an EFBB pro and he has never used more than 1g per week!

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Old 19-09-2004, 01:59 PM   #7 (permalink)
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he looks awsome jimmy, is he the guy who was legit for 8 years out of 10? while you were legit only for the first 2?

THB i cant see how these ppl can take grams of test, i know if i did a gram of test a week for 6 months id have a heart attack.

it just got me thinking because i remember WE all told cheater2k his proposed 10 week cycle of 750test, 600 eq plus prop was way over the top, whereas if he talked to some of these ppl you meet they'd probably tell him yea thats a decent cycle,maybe kick start it with 150 anadrol/ED and way to short though...
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also guys im not asking if its ok to do these type of cycles, its more a question of how many ppl do these types of cycles.

it seems to me that theres alot of ppl training naturally that think along the lines that roids are for 'cheaters' and alot of ppl injecting grams a week at the other end of the spectrum and little to knowone like big says that only do 500sus+400deca to just get that slight advantage
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Old 19-09-2004, 02:54 PM   #9 (permalink)
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If you think about it any substance in the world is used differently by different people. Some of us like to go to the pub of a weekend and have a few beers - others will drink 2 bottles of vodka a day! If you want to look like Ronnie Coleman or Markus Rhul then I recon you will have to start hitting many grams of juice a week for many years - these boys would be the 3 bottles of vodka a day in the alcy world!

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Old 19-09-2004, 03:26 PM   #10 (permalink)
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For the record.....my training partner is an EFBB pro and he has never used more than 1g per week!
If he's really not taken more than a gram a week that is a DAMNED impressive physique for that little juice. A true testament to the fact that you don't need huge doses to look good.
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a guy at my gym is on it all year round the only times he comes off is when he runs outta gear or money, he's ben on test and deca for nearly 6 months!!! thats gonna b crash and a half i'm sure!!

i'm mates with his girl and she said he has problems gettin it up now! i was like just wait......
I've done 6 month cycles before, recovery takes longer but it's not that much worse than a 10 week cycle!

I know some guys with fantastic bodies who use less than a gram a week and others using 4 times that.
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No that was Bill(pictured below), who has been my training partner on and off for 10yrs now but I have had others.

Jason(pictured above)WAS my training partner for 6 months, then I went back with Bill for a year or so till now, when I am back with Jason.

I hope you followed that? Cos I had trouble LOL

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Its one of these topics which could go on forever. I know people who take seriously high doses and some which take relativly low :p
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Well Greg Valentine was doing about 3.5 grams a week and a year later after being in jail with no gear he couldn't get and erection. Now I know he is a jack asss but just using him to prove my point. Yes it does affect everybody different. For me using a low dose of deca took me almost a year to get back to normal. Most of the gear users will never know because they start back up before their levels ever actually come back. You will never know unless you test you tes levels before you start and after. No baseline, no clue.:(
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Most of the gear users will never know because they start back up before their levels ever actually come back. You will never know unless you test you tes levels before you start and after. No baseline, no clue.:(
This is one of the best posts I've seen and I totally agree. I suspect the vast majority of gear users never have their levels return between cycles. They may just as well stay on year-round.


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