tony1401

sorry for the knobbish question but...
im confused... ive read on ere that dianabol shuts down your natural testosterone whilst your on it, but i read the following on a website .................................................. .....................
(A simple application of only 10 mg results in a 5-fold increase in the average testosterone concentration in the male)

im thinking of using dianabol for my first ever steroid cycle before
injecting 250 test e in the future, or should i just inject....

dont worry im not plunging in the deep end, im still researching everything,
but i keep coming across contradicting views..

Lost Soul

every steroid used for gaining muscle shuts you down

TaintedSoul

They talking about the Dbol in your system not what your nutts will be producing. You rnutts will be slowly packing their bags and heading off on a holiday.

Go straight to injectables. Dbol is nice but the water and back pain I get from it ruins the training experience for me.

Lost Soul

yes endeogenous Vs exogenous test

redman

Thats untrue on both levels.

Firstly any steroid taken in amounts big enough to cause tissue growth will shut you down.

Secondly D-bol at 10mg/d wont do much at all.

The average male will produce between 7-9mg/d of test. Free test that is. This is equal to about 100-125mg/w of test-enan.

Anything less than 10mg/d of test is going to do sod all except replace your natural testosterone with something synthetic, so by taking 10mg/d of Dbol you going to shut your self down and replace your test with a simular amount a hormone thats roughly as strong on a mg/mg basis as test.

You really dont want to replace your natural test with D-bol, thats not cool.

If you replaced natural test with 20-25mg of D-bol then maybe its better. However I can think of a whole busnch of reasons you dont want run a d-bol only cycle either.

IMO your first cycle should always be test only. It probably will also be one of your best cycles so dont waste it D-bol.

Run test-e test-c sus at around 400-500mg/w for 8-10 weeks.

tony1401

nice one chaps, i think ill just do the test e then, do i really need 400-500 pw though for 1st cycle, ive read on ere that 250 is enough,

Lost Soul

what are your stats and age? goals?

tony1401

age 31
5'8
13 stone 4
bench 100kg
deadlift 160kg
goals ...want bigger muscle size, eventually a 130kg bench and a 200kg deadlift,
i eat good, but when i overload i put too much fat on me gutz, so i usually stick to a maintenance kind of diet.

redman

IMO 250mg/w isnt that much.

tony1401

ok thanks, i think maybe ill go with 500 then, what about hgc?

007

i use 500 ius every 3rd day the last 3 weeks of my cycle

Tall

Doesn't quite work like that.

Add in Exogenous Test and Endogenous Test will be reduced, but still present.

7mg ED of Endogenous Test is enough to grow muscle tissue last time I checked - plenty of natty trainers around getting bigger and stronger.

Of your Endo Test, only a percentage is free - the rest is bound (dont have the %'s to hand), add in exogenous test to the mix and you have an increased level of free test. Something like dbol will additionally have a decreased affinity for SHBG further allowing increased free / bio-available test.

Sam69 gained 14lbs and reduced his BF% doing low dose dbol cycles for a year (14on, ~21off) and kept them after being off for 6+months, meaning it wasn't all increased intracellular volume/glycogen supercompensation as tends to happen on dbol cycles.

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redman

Good point mate, I realise most test is bound to SHGB. However 10mg of d-bol/d will eventually shut your endo test off. He didnt mention adding in exo test and do agree there is a lot of synergy there.

As for someone gaining 14lbs and dropping body fat in a year, I think with a good diet and training that is possible while staying natty.

Tall

I've got a study somewhere (me and studies lol....) which shows natty test still functioning after 3months of low-ish dose dbol (somewhere between 15mg and 30mg ed)

14lbs a year natty would be nice....

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redman

Cool. if you can find it please do post it I havent come across anything like that before.