packard

my last cycle was 500mg of sus aweek i ran hcg 500iu twice aweek threw out then started pct which was hcg 1500iu e3d for to weeks and nolva for 30days my balls seem to get bigger then just weny small again since my pct 5months ago my balls have got alittle bigger but nothing like before also as from running hcg again wouldnt that be a bad thing as my lh is so high yet my test is quite low i have heard arimedex is good for boosting test levels to nearly double dont no if there any truth in that

cwoody123

That is a lot of HCG mate...i hope you have not done permanent damage to you leydig cells. As Hacks said the best way to increase leydig sensitivity Is HGH and Vit E Also prolactin also increases sensitivity...so plenty of ****ing!

packard

hi mate i no my test levels are really low but there doubled in the 6months iv bin off.my docter seems to fink everythings ok iv told her i cant get morning wood and feel tired all the time but she still insist everythings fine dont hcg just raise lh surly im just looking to raise test hear and also i forgot to say my estradiol is 136 dont no if thats at ok.

cwoody123

Hi mate. HCG does not raise LH it just simulates it...HCG then binds to the the Leydig cells in the testicles which then produce testosterone. To much HCG can permanently damage Leydig cells.

Doctors would say everything is ok when infact it is not...That was the reason i did a Clomid course to stimulate my testosterone my test was 13 and stayed there for a year until i did clomid then it went up too 20 nmol and has hovered round there ever since. i think the perfect zone for estrodial should be around 80 so your a little high but nothing bad. this odd as your test is so low i would have though armotization would be very low

packard

i have some hcg,nolva and clomid hear but dont wanna like u say permantly damage my leydig cells its a hard one to no wether iv all ready done that my test has risen since january but its still very low so im not sure wot to do.

cwoody123

Well i would run clomid...i know your LH is high but clomid will make it a lot higher...i think my LH went up to 10.3 nmol and that was 4 weeks after finishing clomid.

If a 5 week course of Clomid does not raise your test then nothing will. Stay away from HCG and just run Clomid in my opinion.

Pscarb

to be honest woody Docters will not say things are ok if they are not.... you are in the normal range and that is what they are mainly concerned with...

who is to say you had a high level before the last course did you get bloods done? my test levels are low but my shbg is high so the test is doing more than some one with a high test level and low shbg....did you get your shbg levels done?

ask your doc if she can refer you to an endocrinologist as they are the ones who know all about this not your Dr....

packard

the stupid thing was i didnt get them checked before cycling now dont no were im at im 23yrs old so surly they should be alot higher i was getting morning wood before this cycle but havent had anything since i ask my docter about seeing an endo and she said that there fine were re test them im three months

hackskii

Can someone post the refrence ranges please, id like to look at what is going on but without those it is all greek to me.


OK, high LH in the presence of potentially low test levels dont mean a hell of alot, unless you are older.
Leydig cells dont respond in older men like they do in younger men. Quite literally high LH for a man with compromised or low test levles is common.

If I had to guess, his nuts took a nice vacation, my brother took a year to come all back online.
If you were taking nolva during the HCG then chances are the leydig cells are cool, I believe but I cant prove it that HCG aromitizes so heavily in the nuts (testicles produce intra-testicular testosterone as well), that it is actually estrogen and lots of it that damage the leydig cells.
Either long doses or massive ones would or could damage them, but I doubt that actually.

I bet LH might be high because his normal test levels might be a bit lower than his normal ranges. The base ranges are huge in the states it is like 230 to 960, so if you are within the normal range might not mean that you normally are not in the upper range.

Tribulis is worthless, I found it of no use at any dose with any brand. I spent tons on this stuff.

Id like to see the refrence ranges if it is ok.

I am talking to another guy right now, he does not get morning wood, his sex drive is low but all his numbers are good.

What is your free test bro?

If estrogen is too low or too high this will effect libido too.

It is strange but I am seeing this alot lately, perhaps guys dont like to come out and say that they are having problems?
I remember I had this problem before, not knowing if you can perform or not is a real bummer, it takes an understanding woman for this problem.

Hey bro, what time did you take your test?
And dont forget the numbers for refrence ranges.

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cwoody123

In my experience they can and do mate. maybe it is just me or maybe i was just unlucky with my doctor & Endocrinologist....Guess what my Endo did not know what DHT was! and for 10 years my doctor and plastic surgeon all mist all the classic sign of a Prolactinoma!

Trust is earned in my book...so far the NHS in general is not in my most trusted of categories!

You need to use them thou mate as they have the access to the tools that you need to progress with solving this.

Good luck

I agree you should get a full blood panel done including thyroid etc...

hackskii

Oh, at this point woody, I doubt clomid would do all that much. If his LH is high already and the nuts are not responding, I doubt they will take off and hammer with some clomid.
Clomid is really used for jumping the pituitary, but it may help.

Perhaps some HMG, was doing some reading on that stuff. Has 150iu LH and 150iu FSH.

Hear HGH is good for leydig cells too.....lol
So is vitamin E.

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packard

im not sure of the normal referance ranges the docter just write my levels dowm for me she didnt explain much just said they were mormal and sent me packing my test was done at 12am

packard

would running adex for a month bring my test levels up without doing any damage to the leydig cells

hackskii

Hang on till woody, or PScarb posts up the refrence ranges.
I dont like the idea of using an aromatase inhibitor to bump test levels up unless there is an issue with estrogen.
Lowering estrogen too low can compromise lipid profiles and also could contribute to bone loss and erectile disfunction.
You need estrogen, but lets wait for the numbers.

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Tatyana

That is low for your age, usually the reference range is 13-40 nmol/L depending on the lab.

You said you had blood work done before?

Some labs even quote 15/18-45 depending on the local population.

When did you get your bloods drawn?

Was it first thing in the morning or later in the afternoon as that can make a slight difference?

Your pituitary gland is trying to get your testicles working again, and as you are young, it may just be a matter of time.

I would try not messing around self-medicating for three months, get bled again and see what is happening.

If they are still low, you will probably see an endo.

Does your doctor know you cycled?

What age did you start and how many cycles?

hCG is only effective to a certain point, your body can develop a tolerance to it.

Scott, there are conversion websites, google Clin chem SI conversion, I have to do it all the time on American boards to give advice about LFTs etc.