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09-09-2004, 10:35 PM
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| Newbie Trainer  Join Date: Sep 2004
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 | 1st TIME CYCLE Is it possible to make this a 'sticky' guys? Hi guys, i thought i would post this as many newbie's have difficulty with their first cycle. I myself have not cycled for a long time (6-7 years ago - a back injury messed me up for a couple of years) so basically will be doing the same thing as my first cycle again. This is the cycle i will follow as my first cycle (okay about 7 years ago mine cycle was quite different but new information has come to hand recently). Anyway this is from a friend of mine who wrote this and everything seems very good. It has been posted elsewhere and i thinks its a very valuable piece of information. Creating a cycle for the newbie First it is important to know all the most common steroids before doing anything else testosterone (cypionate or enanthate) - no other test is good for a newbie, sust is hard to maintain blood levels and short acting ester tests will require too many injections Deca durabolin - good drug for bulking at moderate dosages, considered somewhat stronger than eq Equipose - good drug for both bulking and cutting, and known to make you vascular unlike any other drug, also known to make you eat like crazy dianabol - a great kickstarter to any bulking cycle winstrol depot - good to cut up and known to make you real hard anavar - another good drug to harden you up and most likely the safest steroid out there primobolan depot - this is a good drug for hardening up and also good for bridging. I don't think a newbie needs to bridge and although hardening up is a positive thing, primo tends to be a little too costy so I suggest just going with equipose fina - although this is a great drug, it is not for a newbie because of the quantity of the injections. anadrol - although this is used commonly amoung more expert users, it is not for the newbie as it is too toxic and should be avoided, dbol should be a great alternative Dosages test - 500mg/week deca - 400mg/week eq - 400-500mg/week dbol - 20-25mg/day winny - 50mg/day anavar - 40-60mg/day Length of Cycle most cycles are run 8-12 weeks, 10 weeks is more than sufficient for a first cycle and pretty much the norm test - 8-11 weeks deca - 8-10 weeks eq - 8-10 weeks dbol - 4 weeks winny - 4-6 weeks anavar - 6-10 weeks Stacking test should be the base of your cycle and running it for 11weeks if it's cyp or enan (11 instead of 10 to provide a better timing for the clomid) deca or eq should be run along with the test and finished 1 week before the test (10 weeks if the test was run 11) dbol should be used for a kickstarter to the cycle because test and deca/eq will not kick in until week 3-4 winny and anavar should be used towards the end of the cycle for some hardening up, although they can be avoided if one sees it as too much (these should not be used at the same time as the dbol because of liver toxicity) Anti Estrogens armidex/liquidex should be run at 0.25mg/day from the begining of cycle and continued until the begining of clomid theraphy, this will prevent gyno (bitch tits) and keep the water down (water retention, so your face doesn't look like a melon) many suggest having nolvadex on hand (as a cheaper alternative) to prevent gyno, but it's better to be safe than sorry, so spend a little more and go with the armidex Clomid (taken from the clomid faq posted by the iron game AR) Question: When do I start Clomid? Some say 2 weeks others 3. Answer: When you start using your clomid all depends on what steroids you were using during your cycle. Different steroids have different half lifes and you should adjust your clomid intake accordingly. As we have seen above, if we take clomid when the androgen levels in our body is still high it will be a waste. We need to wait for androgen levels to fall before implementing our clomid therapy. However if we take it too late we could possibly lose gains. Look at the list below to determine when you should start clomid therapy. By selecting from the list all the steroids you used in your cycle and which ever one has the latest starting point then go with that. For example if I cycled dbol, sustanon and winstrol I would use sustanon as it remains active in the body for the longest period of time. Anadrol/Anapolan: 8 - 12 hours after last administration Deca: 3 weeks after last injection and clomid for 4 weeks Dianabol: 4 8 hours after last administration Equipoise: 3 weeks after last injection Fina: 3 days after last injection Primobolan depot: 10 14 days after last injection Sustanon: 3 weeks after last injection Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks after last injection Testosterone Enanthate: 2 weeks after last injection Testosterone Propionate: 3 days after last injection Testosterone Suspension: 4 8 hours after last administration Winstrol: 8 12 hours after last administration Question: What is the most effective way for Clomid therapy. Answer: Clomid has a long half life and as such there is no need to split up doses throughout the day. I read some where that it was 5 days (any feedback on this). Now if we used sustanon and we start using clomid 3 weeks after our last injection we anticipate that androgen levels are low enough to start sending the correct signals. If androgen levels are still a little high then the normal 50mgs/day of clomid for 1 week is not going to be effective. We need to start at a high enough amount that will work or help even if androgen levels are still a little high. 300mgs on day 1. I know I said dont split it up due to its long half life but try and split this up 2 tabs 3 times a day. After we have finished this first day we seek to use 100mgs for 10 days and then followed by 50mgs for 10 days. ___ Supplements (all of the following can be purchased over the counter in the united states except clenbuterol and proscar and nizoral 2% shampoo) glutamine - 10-20mg/ed throughout the cycle and post cycle creatine - start when you start clomid, it will help maintain gains clenbuterol & ephedrine - run clen 2weeks on/2weeks off and use ephedrine on the off weeks I suggest starting it 2weeks before the clomid theraphy starts or just starting it with the clomid gradually increase from one pill to 6 or 7 pills in the first week (if you are unable to tolerate it then stay at lower dosages), take it at 6 or 7 pills at the rest of the weeks run the recommended dose of ephedrine (depending on the brand) milk thisle - run this at 1000-1500mg/day with the dbol, winny, and anavar as they are 17aa and toxic to the liver, milk thisle will help ALA - run this along with the milk thisle at around 800mg/day (600mg-1000mg) to further protect the liver saw palmetto - this is a good protection for the prostate and should be run from day one up until the start of clomid at 320mg/day cranberry extract - this should be run if you decide to run fina because it is hard on the kidneys vitamin C, 1000mg everyday proscar - great drug for protecting hairloss, run this at 1/4 tab a day throughout the cycle (from begining of cycle until start of clomid theraphy), AVOID using this if you are running deca (or any other drug that causes progesterone related side effects) as it will speed up hairloss intead of preventing it nizoral 2% shampoo - this should be used for topical protection of the hair as proscar will only help prevent or slow down hairloss that was caused by the test multivitamin - they are cheap and should be used everyday at the recommended dosage (usually 1 or 2 pills a day) Drink as much water as you can handle then drink some more. water will be extremely useful in every facet and should be considered your most important supplement. Model Cycle there are quite a few possibilities of running these drugs together, but here is one method week 1-11 enanthate 500mg week 1-10 equipose 400mg week 1-4 dianabol 25mg ed week 7-13 anavar 50mg ed week 1-4 milk thisle 1500mg ed week 7-13 milk thisle 1000mg ed week 1-4 ALA 800mg ed week 7-13 ALA 800mg ed week 1-13 saw palmetto 320mg ed week 1-13 proscar 1.25mg ed (1/4 tab) use nizoral 2% throughout and a multivitamin everyday and 1000mg vitamn C a day week 13-15 Clomid (300,100,50 see above) week 13-14 clen 6tabs/day (1,2,3,4,5,6,6 tabs per day for the first week) week 15-16 eca (recommended dose) week 17-18 clen 6tabs/day week 19-20 eca week 21-22 clen week 13-22 creatine 25mg ed week 1-22 glutamine 20mg ed ok I think this pretty much covers most questions asked by a newbie, any drugs not mentioned on here shouldn't even be considered for newbies IMO Okay guys the main thing i want to add to this is that this can all be a bit excessive for a newbie or a first cycle. I think if you are worried about the cost and use of all these items then you can get perfectly good results from just some Test enan at about 400mg for 10 weeks and some Anavar. Also, due to the cost of Armidex i feel Novladex is a good substitute. Only if you are prone to gyno then you should go for Armidex (this is very expensive however). Remember a cycle should only be used if you have been training for a long time not if your a first year beginner to the world of bodybuilding. These goods can have dangerous side effects so just beware and remember to learn as much as possible before you start anything. Some people often jump into a cycle believing drugs will make all the difference and then make no gains - remember you must have a excellent diet and know how your body reacts to training dieting and every type of mass gaining programs. Your diet and training is essential - first get these right before ever trying any cycle. IMO though, this is a little much for some newbies. My theory is less is more on your first cycle. A newbie can have quality gains with just the Test and anavar. This also can give an idea if they are prone to any side effects you can start off with less, if you scared of sides. but lets face it, if you are doing gear you want to be at the next level and you know there is going to be some adversity. If it was easy with no sides then everyone would be huge. some people can get away with small doses but might as well get to growing if your going to do it. if one is that scared of sides then they shouldn't be doing it in the first place because they are going to happen sooner or later. About GH: Listen guys - you have NO business doing GH until you have a number of years of proper training behind you, then maybe some properly designed steroid cycles - after which you should be close to or beyond your genetic potential. Then you would consider GH - where long term, low dosage is better than hitting it hard with 6IU+ for a few weeks. 2IU for 4-6 months should give you some nice results - in combination with one or two 8-10 week AAS cycles (or several 2 week cycles). Okay guys this in my opinion is good advice but if you have your own opinions please add them because the more a newbie knows the better. It will be good if some people disagree with some of this as it allows a newbie to get the point of view of another person. Last edited by kingmins; 10-09-2004 at 02:56 AM. |
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10-11-2004, 06:58 PM
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| UK-Muscle Moderator  Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SW London
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  | yeah its good, but 4 first time users the doses seem abit high? week 1-11 enanthate 500mg week 1-10 equipose 400mg week 1-4 dianabol 25mg ed week 7-13 anavar 50mg ed abit hardcore for a first time user IMO
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