brickhoused

Hy guys, ive been coming across numerous articles lately stating that doses of AAS should be bodyweight dependant, I realise this is obviuos to a certain degree, but does this mean tht say a 230lb man who has been training naturally for say 8 or 9 years and has made tremendous gains and has decided to go one step further to AAS, should go onto a higher dose than most new sterois users??

mars1960

IMO, either way they are both newbs to aas, so if one had been training a year and the other ten years, i'd still advise the same, that would be test at 250-500mg wk, though i don't think test is weight dependent.
They say the optimum for deca is 2mg/lb body weight, in this instance would you give the 150lb guy the same dose of deca for a 1st cycle as the 230lb guy, i'd still say yes.

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wogihao

I have seen some calculations for burst cycles where you take your weight in KG x 14 to give you the mg total for test ect... I got no idea how he came to that figure - maby bro science....

pauly7582

Wouldn't agree with weight related dosing.

I know a lad from up here, competes, 19 stone, posts on here occasionally and he still considers 3 sust a week heavy. Mind if your wanting to break records or become pro maybe a different approach is needed.

I still grow on 500mg test a week and a bit dbol or tren.

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pauly7582

Just thought of something.

People rave about 1g of test a week etc etc.

But have you ever heard any one say 'I didnt take enough gear to grow' or 'I didnt grow at all on my last cycle'?

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wogihao

It makes sence for it to be related to weight, in medicine they calculate the dose that way (for drol anyway).

pauly7582

That's for safety/health reasons mate.

I do agree with you though. I didn't really make myself clear in my first answer.

Consider what happens when muscles hypertrophy. Tesosterone and androgens bind to androgen receptors (these are nuclear receptors found in the nucleus of muscle fibres) causing nucleus proliferation. The new nuclei stimulation of satellite cells to bring new contractile apparatus making the muscle bigger. So, considering a bigger muscle has more nuclei and therefore more receptors for test then more gear can be used in bigger muscles.

I'm of the opinion however, that something like a gram of gear will still easily saturate these receptors in even the most hypertrophied of muscles (and remember the number will down regulate with prolonged gear use)

So what I was arguing against was the use of mega doses like 2g a week and the use of body weight as an excuse for this.

But yes I agree that AAS dose, or rather the amount of a dose that can be used by the body, is dependent on body weight.

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wogihao

Hmm I will have to check but I always thought that your receptor sites up-regulated when you introduced steriods.

pauly7582

No need to check, trust me I should know

In an effort to preserve homeostasis, when levels of a hormone are high, receptors reduce in number so the hormone's actions are expressed less so. One theory as to why gains slow after a long time on. If they increased it would be an example of positive feedback, where the body strives to deviate further away from baseline. Which in this case we kow doesnt happen.

When levels of a hormone are low, receptor number increases, again in an effort to express it's actions to the required extent. One reason why a long time off gear brings about awesome gains when you eventually go back on.

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willsey4

Based on this thread what would you advise a 6ft 2" guy currently at 275lb at 14% BF for a 10 week Deca and Sus?

Ive been recommended 400 Deca and 750 Sus per week?

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Brickhoused is that you in the pic?

willsey4

Thats Darren Ball who won the Heavy weights at the Brits last year

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