A quick guide to knowing when you are NOT in a position to use steroids.. - Page 2 - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

Lost Soul · 10-05-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by want2getstrong

Even I have overdosed on creatine or protein shakes, so maybe I wouldnt be suprised if I took more steroids than needed, but doctors use steroids.

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Originally Posted by want2getstrong

Personally Id like to think I am mature, clever, and sensible

BBBwwwwwwaaahhhhha

I have refrained from passing comment on many of your misconceptions but please, my friend read more

Sorry to sound blunt but.....

wogihao · 10-05-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by want2getstrong

Yeah I agree with Flex Lewis being a freak, but there are many other bodybuilders around today who want to make that step up.

What im trying to get at, first- unless you are hoping to make a step up and at least hope to do nationals in bodybuilding, strongman, powerlifting then dont do steroids, even at 30 years of age. I see a lot of strong polish guys in my gym, huge guys but no intention of competing and they look they pro bbs, some repping out 200kg on the bench press clean and never seen a powerlifting comp before. Dont see the point of that unless you aim to do something with it.

So if youre a 19 year old with no intention of make it big, then its pointless, but MXD is someone who wants to compete in the bpo so I defo understand his reasoning for taking steroids, because he wants to compete.

I think it makes more sense for MXD at 19 to take steroids so he can compete than for someone at 30 years old to take it for no other reason than just to take it.

No, from a health perspective takeing steriods as a teen is a bad idea full stop. Nobody knows the long term efects of suplementing testostrone/tren ect on the body at that age. nobody. So no matter what the motivation or good intentions logicaly i cannot see how anyone can say its a good idea.

A man in his 30s who is enjoying life, and useing theres less chance of problems no matter what the motivation. we know this because there have been studies conduced on mature males that havent been run with teenagers for ethetical reasions. Thus i can say the evidence points to it being safer to run anabolic steriods after your reached phyisical maturity than before.

The science suports this assertion. No matter how bady you want to justify your friends use of anabolics at such a early age it cannot stand up to critique.

Just think of the strenght/size gains a teen would have made if he had waitied till he was fully matured, think of all the natural gains that would have been ahead of him in the comming few years.

One thing i can say with certainty is that the longer your natural and training properly the better your responce to steriods will be when you decided to use. The teenage years should be seen as a mega prime for assited growth in adulthood.

ParaManiac · 10-05-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Wee G

Just my opinion. You should not consider using AAS if...

1. You are under 21.

2. You have not made substantial gains drug free. If people have to ask in order to know that you train, you have probably not progressed enough without AAS.

3. You have to stretch your finances to cover the cost of a cycle, food, gym membership etc.

Drugs, ancillaries and food etc are not hugely expensive but you MUST have a solid financial base before you can pour money in to a cycle. Budget an additional £60 a week to eat like a bodybuilder, train like a bodybuilder, and take AAS versus being a "normal" person. If this seems "steep" then don't do a cycle.

4. The purpose of your cycle is to get to a point you could attain without drugs given better training, better nutrition and a healthy dose of patience. Drug use should be there to get to a point you CAN'T get to drug free.

5. You compete in a sport under UK Sport drug testing rules. That's almost all sports and federations btw, including the BNBF and NPA in Bodybuilding. Using drugs to compete against clean athletes is pathetic.

A good post Wee G,very valid points,however imo,they are only applicable to the young lad who has got a brain in his head and who see's the sport as a long term commitment.

The above factors are not important to the typical newbie numpty who is going to take drugs no matter what advice he is given to the contrary.

I believe some of these idiots liken taking AAS to buying a new pair of Diesel jeans or having the latest designer mullet

Unfortunatley the only thing they are concerned about is looking good on a Friday night,at whatever cost,so i feel,although your efforts are admirable,they will be in vain.

want2getstrong · 10-05-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wogihao

No, from a health perspective takeing steriods as a teen is a bad idea full stop. Nobody knows the long term efects of suplementing testostrone/tren ect on the body at that age. nobody. So no matter what the motivation or good intentions logicaly i cannot see how anyone can say its a good idea.

A man in his 30s who is enjoying life, and useing theres less chance of problems no matter what the motivation. we know this because there have been studies conduced on mature males that havent been run with teenagers for ethetical reasions. Thus i can say the evidence points to it being safer to run anabolic steriods after your reached phyisical maturity than before.

The science suports this assertion. No matter how bady you want to justify your friends use of anabolics at such a early age it cannot stand up to critique.

Just think of the strenght/size gains a teen would have made if he had waitied till he was fully matured, think of all the natural gains that would have been ahead of him in the comming few years.

One thing i can say with certainty is that the longer your natural and training properly the better your responce to steriods will be when you decided to use. The teenage years should be seen as a mega prime for assited growth in adulthood.

i understand what youre saying but thats not based on everyone, flex lewis, scott leeson see the dedication they put in, personally I would say theyve done the right thing in taking steroids their age because they in it for the long haul, they want to become the best. Lee Priest started young, many other did many other didnt.

If youre taking steroids to look good on a friday night, thats just plain stupid

want2getstrong · 10-05-2008, 01:36 PM

Id like to say, I would never tell my mates who are 19 20 to take steroids either, its only for people who are in it for the long haul

also there is no scientific evidence of bad effects takin it as a teen is there?

show me im eating lol so cant do it right now

Lost Soul · 10-05-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by want2getstrong

Id like to say, I would never tell my mates who are 19 20 to take steroids either, its only for people who are in it for the long haul

also there is no scientific evidence of bad effects takin it as a teen is there?

show me im eating lol so cant do it right now

The more you post, the more i wonder
Is this a serious question?

Singleshot · 10-05-2008, 01:59 PM

I don't think it has anything to do with a specific age minimum that is standard for anyone.

It has to do with the complete maturity of your internal organs and the completion of your growth plates forming.

Which I believe for men happens somewhere between 19ish to 23ish if I'm not mistaken. But, like anything else, everyone is different.

wogihao · 10-05-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by want2getstrong

Id like to say, I would never tell my mates who are 19 20 to take steroids either, its only for people who are in it for the long haul

also there is no scientific evidence of bad effects takin it as a teen is there?

show me im eating lol so cant do it right now

There is evidence but its all in German/Chinese/Russian (but in the cases of the Russian and Chinese its all restriced), also it was part of the state sponsored dopeing program with the DDR good luck finding any of it though.

But you see the problem, theres no scientist that could get clearance for such a study because its fundemantly immoral and goes against a whole host of guidlines set up to control experements/studies like this.

So alough there is only anadotial evidence from people who have taken steriods as teenages and have regreted it there is no widely avalible (non-restriced or lost) information to make a decision ya or nay.

mars1960 · 10-05-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by want2getstrong

Id like to say, I would never tell my mates who are 19 20 to take steroids either, its only for people who are in it for the long haul

also there is no scientific evidence of bad effects takin it as a teen is there?

show me im eating lol so cant do it right now

There's loads of scientific/medical evidence of the effects of steroids on TEENS, thats erm 13 yrs old, seems youv'e done very little research on the subject of aas and the effects they have on your system.

Lost Soul · 10-05-2008, 02:23 PM

Some reading will/should revolve around premature epiphyseal closure

wogihao · 10-05-2008, 02:32 PM

I think hes looking for a study on the afects of muscle growth in teens similar to the aids studies...

But yea your right theres lots of documented cases of steriod abuse by teens/children. Its docuemting the side efects (thats quite relevant to this discussion actualy..) not the tissue building effects - thats what i think our young friend seems to want to find.

want2getstrong · 10-05-2008, 02:52 PM

well lets say, you say steroids stop a guys growth plates so he cant grow, what happens if hes tall enough and doesnt want to grow, therefore doesnt care if steroids doesnt allow him to grow?

Lost Soul · 10-05-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by want2getstrong

well lets say, you say steroids stop a guys growth plates so he cant grow, what happens if hes tall enough and doesnt want to grow, therefore doesnt care if steroids doesnt allow him to grow?

so he can live in a tree house and still shop at gap kids when he is 42?

MXD · 10-05-2008, 03:00 PM

want to get strong you need to read more.

want2getstrong · 10-05-2008, 03:02 PM

MXD, so why did you take it at 19 years old, then, maybe give your views.

Ive just been on the net, and found the usuall bull****, you'll get gyno you'll get this or that. The net overexagerates things to the limit.

MXD, bit contradictory for you to tell me to read up, when youre younger than me and taking steroids.

10-05-2008, 01:36 PM	#20 (permalink)
want2getstrong Gym Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 236	Re: A quick guide to knowing when you are NOT in a position to use steroids.. Id like to say, I would never tell my mates who are 19 20 to take steroids either, its only for people who are in it for the long haul also there is no scientific evidence of bad effects takin it as a teen is there? show me im eating lol so cant do it right now

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Singleshot Gym Addict Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 110	Re: A quick guide to knowing when you are NOT in a position to use steroids.. I don't think it has anything to do with a specific age minimum that is standard for anyone. It has to do with the complete maturity of your internal organs and the completion of your growth plates forming. Which I believe for men happens somewhere between 19ish to 23ish if I'm not mistaken. But, like anything else, everyone is different.

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wogihao Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,362	Re: A quick guide to knowing when you are NOT in a position to use steroids.. I think hes looking for a study on the afects of muscle growth in teens similar to the aids studies... But yea your right theres lots of documented cases of steriod abuse by teens/children. Its docuemting the side efects (thats quite relevant to this discussion actualy..) not the tissue building effects - thats what i think our young friend seems to want to find.

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want2getstrong Gym Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 236	Re: A quick guide to knowing when you are NOT in a position to use steroids.. well lets say, you say steroids stop a guys growth plates so he cant grow, what happens if hes tall enough and doesnt want to grow, therefore doesnt care if steroids doesnt allow him to grow?

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want2getstrong Gym Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 236	Re: A quick guide to knowing when you are NOT in a position to use steroids.. MXD, so why did you take it at 19 years old, then, maybe give your views. Ive just been on the net, and found the usuall bull****, you'll get gyno you'll get this or that. The net overexagerates things to the limit. MXD, bit contradictory for you to tell me to read up, when youre younger than me and taking steroids.

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