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Old 05-05-2008, 08:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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im going to be doing a cycle and wish to include some GH for the first time but seem to be getting conflicting opinions on doses length of cycle etc. Any one got any really life experience?
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Old 05-05-2008, 08:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: growth hormone
You need to run it for at least 6 months to start seeing benefit from it, what are your goals for HGH because it depends on dose what your looking for.
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Old 05-05-2008, 10:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
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You need to run it for at least 6 months to start seeing benefit from it, what are your goals for HGH because it depends on dose what your looking for.
i seem to have plateaued over the last year and i dont really want to increase my steroid doses any more. also ive heard its good for lowering bodyfat levels and possibly helping with soft tissue damage so there are a few reasons im willing to try it given the cost involved. ive been told to take 8 iu / day on traing days only which seems a bit odd as you wouldnt take a steroid on training days only. i would have assumed the idea would be to increase gh levels and keep them there not have them yo yo-ing but i need some advice
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Well, you are 43 and I notice that HGH seems to work better for the older chaps like myself (48).
I love the stuff personally, I doubt you can do 8iu's myself, I get terrible stiff joints on half that, depending on the brand I have to cut down to just 2iu.
I am on 2iu right now and I shoot that first thing in the morning for cortisol supression as I dont eat right when I get up.
Soft tissue?
Yah, been having a problem with my knee and it is healing up really nicely.

I am on the hygetropin stuff right now and I like that stuff.
Soft tissue damage might be better if you shoot at night.
Might want to also consider some melatonin for sleep, that stuff is killer too and you produce less of this sleep hormone when you age just like all hormones.
DHEA small doses along with zinc will be helpfull for you too.

I do know guys that use GH PWO with good use but I cant carry that stuff around with me to work, hell they would fire me if I had a needle....lol

One drawback of HGH is over prolonged periods of daily use one tends to become less insulin sensitive. This isnt a good thing, you can combat that some by either taking in fish oils that aid in insulin resistance, or do an EOD or Every workout dosing protocols.
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Well, you are 43 and I notice that HGH seems to work better for the older chaps like myself (48).
I love the stuff personally, I doubt you can do 8iu's myself, I get terrible stiff joints on half that, depending on the brand I have to cut down to just 2iu.
I am on 2iu right now and I shoot that first thing in the morning for cortisol supression as I dont eat right when I get up.
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Yah, been having a problem with my knee and it is healing up really nicely.

I am on the hygetropin stuff right now and I like that stuff.
Soft tissue damage might be better if you shoot at night.
Might want to also consider some melatonin for sleep, that stuff is killer too and you produce less of this sleep hormone when you age just like all hormones.
DHEA small doses along with zinc will be helpfull for you too.

I do know guys that use GH PWO with good use but I cant carry that stuff around with me to work, hell they would fire me if I had a needle....lol

One drawback of HGH is over prolonged periods of daily use one tends to become less insulin sensitive. This isnt a good thing, you can combat that some by either taking in fish oils that aid in insulin resistance, or do an EOD or Every workout dosing protocols.
do you take it every day or just training days?
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Old 07-05-2008, 08:53 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Realistically?

2iu on training days alone will yield disappointing returns

4-5iu ED or 10 EOD would be nice (training and non training days)

At least 2-3iu ED assuming no sides but bang for buck its not great and whilst i appreciate your age your bodyfat still will come down with manipulation of diet, GH is not close to other meds for fat stripping either
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Re: growth hormone
4iu 5 days on 2 off for 12 weeks and you wil start to see results.
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I do ED shots.
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Yes but your so old you may not see another day scott, better to use it than it go to waste

For us younger folk who have time on our sides, EOD shots are more relaxed
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Yes but your so old you may not see another day scott, better to use it than it go to waste

For us younger folk who have time on our sides, EOD shots are more relaxed
Well, yes I am the old guy for sure..........Oldest guy on this board........:love:
But, as one age's, one get's compromised hormonal profiles/levels.
If one (old guy), were to tweak the numbers towards youth, hell he is looking good....................lol....................
Could ageing begin with declining hormone levels?.............I ask you?

Do I know the long term use of gear or peptides?..........................Hell no……………….
Will I use them?.........................Hell yes………………………………….
I can tell you that when you age you will lose some things that are dear to you like, flexibility, strength, recuperation of injuries, wanting to shag more than one chick in a day………lol
Trust me, it will happen, some faster than others, exercise and good diet along with good lifestyle would be the best choices you got………………..To stay young……….
Can you cheat it?.......................Yah, but not forever……………………….
Sorry, I am compromised right now, but if you want to know the ravages of being older?....................I think I can help…….lol
Again, love you guys and always have……………………………
Getting older has its advantages and also its disadvantages, but in the end it is actually all good………….
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lol, you young guys dont even need this drug.....
I do but you dont............................haaaa haaaaaaa, just dont do it......lol

Just kiddin, Id rather you didnt quote me, but id swear that gear works better for the younger dudes..........................

Again, I should not even be posting right now, butt..............................lol
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Lol at you checking you are the oldest guy here

I agree, all about risk assesment and compared to the life most yanks live at your age scott i would not worry about long term use...anyhow the japs or iranians will bomb the US before you really have to worry about getting too old

I believe in making life as good as possible and often throwing the blue print out that we were handed in our youth. There are potential sides, there are 'what if's but at the end of the day if we are driven to do things, i say go with the flow

Without BBing and gear i would probably be 'far healthier' physically but i wouldnt be happy mentally and i would prefer 10 years of living on 'what if i get ill' rather than sitting in a waiting lounge ready for number to be called
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Well lost, when I lost my Mom 3 years ago, it hit me hard.
I did kind of wake up and smell the roses.
Life is precious, we are surrounded with death every day (news), I do feel that being alive is a great thing and you only get one crack at it.
Many days I will lay in bed watching TV with my 8 year old and laying there I relize everything is the way it is supposed to be. Everything is just fine and alright.
This makes me happy.
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I read so much conflicting information about growth...

marcuss300 states that you need to run ot for 6 months to see results but robdog says 6 weeks just further down the thread....

i got offered some this week, 40 days worth.... now i would love to lose as much fat as i can for the summer...especially on my stomache..... i have had a month off but started back this week and i am now eating right and started doing like 4o minutes of cardio and plan to do this 5 days a week which is something i have never done in my life......

am i wasting my money if i went for it ??? whats the best fat burner out there then ?
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