another TBOL thread

[kannekt]

Sup mates I plan on doing a 6 week T-BOL only cycle and was just wondering what you thought about my dosages especially my PCT because i am a bit unsure

Weeks 1-6 - 80mg ED (20mg 9am, 30mg 3pm, 30mg 9pm)

Week 7-8 40mg ED (20mg AM, 20mg PM)
Week 9-10 20mg ED

I know at this dosage TBOL could be a bit suppressive so i was just wondering if my PCT is enough to get my test levels back to normal. Also i have enough TBOL to last me an extra week, should i extend my cycle to 7 weeks or leave it at 6?

Stats:
height: 6'2
weight: 173
age: 23

Goals:
10-15lbs

[Lost Soul]

Is the PCT weeks 7-10 and is that nolva stated?

Week 7-8 40mg ED (20mg AM, 20mg PM)
Week 9-10 20mg ED

PCT thread for help at the top of this page

80mg is a fair dose of tbol

I dont think 15 good punds will be done in 6 weeks from said cycle

[kannekt]

Ahh i knew i missed something in the post. Yes weeks 7 through 10 is when i start my PCT and yes i will also be using Nolvadex.

Originally Posted by Lost Soul

I dont think 15 good punds will be done in 6 weeks from said cycle

As i said in my original post i have an extra weeks worth. Do you think it would be worth it to extend my cycle to 7 weeks Lost Soul?

- Keith

[Lost Soul]

No need to extend, i simply dont think you will gain a good 15lbs

Nolva would need to initially be increased on the first day of PCT and second week initially of PCT

see the PCT thread for help

out of interest why did you pick this cycle

[kannekt]

I chose Tbol was because of the low sides. I'm predisposed to hair loss so I'm avoiding Test/Sust and DHT blockers just wouldn't be enough. Also with summer coming up I thought it would be the perfect time to harden up. I'm not expecting a lot of weight gain but with a 80mg dosage for 6 weeks i think 10-15 pounds would be feasible with a clean 3000 calorie diet.

[Lost Soul]

i think 10-15 pounds would be feasible with a clean 3000 calorie diet.

yes if you are a bed bound female of 90lbs, otherwise i certainly would expect it and for sure it would be minimal in terms of muscle mass

hardening up and its aesthetic appeal would be more suited to being hypocalori rather than in a surplus

with all due respect do you believe this is required at 6 2" and 12 and a bit stone?

[gazh]

Hi Kannekt im 3 weeks into my tbol cycle at the moment 60 mg ED cycle is to last 6 weeks then my PCT i have is Cytotam (tamoxifen Citrate) or Novladex and hopefully getting some clomid to go along with it

Day 1: 150mg Clomid & 20mg Nolva
10 Days at: 100mg Clomid & 20mg Nolva
10 Days at: 50mg Clomid & 20mg Nolva

Thats whats been advised to me by the guys on here.

[kannekt]

Originally Posted by Lost Soul

yes if you are a bed bound female of 90lbs, otherwise i certainly would expect it and for sure it would be minimal in terms of muscle mass

hardening up and its aesthetic appeal would be more suited to being hypocalori rather than in a surplus

with all due respect do you believe this is required at 6 2" and 12 and a bit stone?

Well we will soon see LS

Thanks gazh but would clomid really be needed for a cycle like this?

[Lost Soul]

Not really the mature response some would expect but your body, your call but you will not add that amount of muscle/weight

[kannekt]

Originally Posted by Lost Soul

Not really the mature response some would expect but your body, your call but you will not add that amount of muscle/weight

I could have misinterpreted your last post but what did you mean by "with all due respect do you believe this is required at 6 2" and 12 and a bit stone?"

I also have in hand 2500mg worth of Anavar but i am uncertain if that would be a good stack

[Lost Soul]

My suggestion is, from experience, to gain some natural weight as there is plenty of muscle to be added before any chemical aid is required.

6 2" and 12 stone 4/5 is not a fair representation of educated gear use. This may sound harsh and old school but it seems you have plenty of natural muscle to add first

[kannekt]

Ahh now i understand where your coming from. I have 5 years of experience with lifting and my starting weight was 142 pounds (practically Ethiopian). Since then I've added 30+ pounds with a high metabolism rate and the only supps I have ever used was creatine and protein. I feel like I have plateaued and could use the extra boost. What if i did add the Anavar though LS?

WEEK1: TBOL 80mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK2: TBOL 80mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK3: TBOL 80mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK4: TBOL 80mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK5: TBOL 80mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK6: TBOL 80mg ED/VAR 50mg ED

PCT:
WEEK1:NOVLADEX 60/50/40/40/40/40/40
WEEK2:NOLVADEX 40mg/ED
WEEK3:NOLVADEX 20mg/ED
WEEK4:NOLVADEX 20mg/ED

[Lost Soul]

Ahh now i understand where your coming from. I have 5 years of experience with lifting and my starting weight was 142 pounds (practically Ethiopian). Since then I've added 30+ pounds with a high metabolism rate and the only supps I have ever used was creatine and protein.

same story, different person
you simply dont know what it takes to grow. fast metabolisms are overcome by high calories. you cannot bend the laws of thermodynamics which makes your previous posts stating 15lb gain off 3000 calories look silly and you have contradicted yourself. A fast metabolism would gain sh1t all on 3k ED, hence why you havent and why you wont, gear or not

I feel like I have plateaued and could use the extra boost.

swap plateuaed for 'become impatient'

steroids are not an extra boost, they are serious

What if i did add the Anavar though LS

I cant morally support that but as for the course?

WEEK1: TBOL 80mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK2: TBOL 80mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK3: TBOL 80mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK4: TBOL 80mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK5: TBOL 80mg ED/VAR 50mg ED
WEEK6: TBOL 80mg ED/VAR 50mg ED

its not for me ideal. 2 orals, and it looks lighweight without test

PCT is ok but 4 weeks isnt required
60 for one day
40 for 10
20 for 10

[kannekt]

I guess i can hold off on this cycle, patience is in fact a virtue ;o and I suppose that in my current situation I do have the time to make better adjustments on my diet and "do what it takes to grow"

Thanks for all the replys

[Lost Soul]

That seems more sensible, there are years ahead to take gear but for now you have free muscle waiting to be added naturally