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drhighintensity · 04-05-2008, 12:09 AM

hi.
i am 18
i will run epistane for 1 month at 20/30/30/40

i expect to use nolvadex to kill off the bloody estrogen and bring my balls back online.
should i use clomid side by side TOO?

please comment.

mars1960 · 04-05-2008, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drhighintensity

hi.
i am 18
i will run epistane for 1 month at 20/30/30/40

i expect to use nolvadex to kill off the bloody estrogen and bring my balls back online.
should i use clomid side by side TOO?

please comment.

Haven't got a bloody clue,

See if this helps.
http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/supplemen...-epistane.html

**Pscarb** · 04-05-2008, 08:23 AM

Designer steroids in my opinion are dangerous mainly because no one knows what they actually effect, the fact you need prescription only drugs to recover from an OTC supplement (as it is marketed) is dodgy i would steer well clear

Slamdog · 04-05-2008, 08:25 AM

the fact that you are only 18 worries me a bit.....

will your balls ever work again? who knows with these designer drugs and the fact that you are so young...

Lost Soul · 04-05-2008, 08:35 AM

This is a steroid, 18 years old is too young IMO but your call

dosing is fine, length is fine, some may fancy clomid over nolva

that certainly would be my first dip in the steroid game though

i personally would wait til 21-22 and run a real cycle of test for 10 weeks

drhighintensity · 04-05-2008, 11:45 AM

im an injection virgin and i hate injections!

i want to run epi primarily for the reasons i want to gain 1st and keep it with proper pct, i want MILD supression of my gonads making pct easier as compared to dbol which is much more andro, and its a lean bulk with no water retention or fat so its all good

i've been told if my balls go 'offline' then take hcg 500iu x1 for 3 weeks. but its not really needed as my balls will defo come back online. the body loves homeostatis

btw lost soul, i luv ur signature its so true lol.

Lost Soul · 04-05-2008, 11:52 AM

All that info is nice, but you are 18 years old

what are your stats and training history?

drhighintensity · 04-05-2008, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lost Soul

All that info is nice, but you are 18 years old

what are your stats and training history?

stats?
if you mean my lifts
bench 100x 1
squat 160x1
deadlift -170x1
this is raw.
my weight is 69-70k and i am about 10% bodyfats.

training history
i trained for 7 months added 22.5lb's lean and dropped about 8lbs fat.
(i have often been called a fake for this)

what i want gear to give me.
12lbs lean mass then i want to get 7-8% bf.

am i talking ****?
no. i've researched this for about 3 months from books, documents etc etc and what people have said on internet boards such as these - although the majority talk ****. i've consulted with REAL people on what to do and recommended in what particular direction inc mick hart.

at the end of the day, this is epistane and not 1g test a week

Lost Soul · 04-05-2008, 02:00 PM

Im not sure what to say other than 'ok my friend, crack on'

drhighintensity · 04-05-2008, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lost Soul

Im not sure what to say other than 'ok my friend, crack on'

lol.
its only epistane ;)

Slamdog · 04-05-2008, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drhighintensity

lol.
its only epistane ;)

and its up to you if you want to risk it.....

most people here are telling you not to....

**Pscarb** · 04-05-2008, 02:46 PM

you say only epistane but this will suppress the HPTA(shutdown) just as much as D/bol will do the fact you need Nolva etc for PCT tells you this....

do not be stupid enough to think you will get no sides from this drug or that it will not shut you down as it will....fat and water gain is down to diet not the steroid you are taking you thinking this tells me you have not thought this through.....

you are naive to think this is a safe route at least their are thousands of bits of info to support steroid use and you know what you are getting into unlike epistane which is a designer steroid that has not been tested short term never mind long term....

i find it hard to believe Mick Hart would of advised you to use this drug at your age i know Mick very well and this does not sound like him.....

drhighintensity · 04-05-2008, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pscarb

you say only epistane but this will suppress the HPTA(shutdown) just as much as D/bol will do the fact you need Nolva etc for PCT tells you this....

i've read it suppresses it mildly, not so sure about dbol but thats highly androgenic as compared to epistane and so wont shutdown as much. and i have nolva and will do the whole 21day protocol PCT thing.

DAY 1, 60MG NOLVA
DAYS 2-10, 40MG NOLVA EACH DAY
DAYS 11-21, 20MG NOLVA EACH DAY.

i've been considered using X-LEAN as a cortisol supressant in order to keep my gains whilst nolva gets to work and my normal test levels can get back and then no more cortisol. yay!

do not be stupid enough to think you will get no sides from this drug or that it will not shut you down as it will....fat and water gain is down to diet not the steroid you are taking you thinking this tells me you have not thought this through.....

i dont expect to

never had acne or anything else for that matter and im taking the precautions:
-liv 52 double strenght x 2 tabs a day.
-2-3g vitC
-1g VIT B complex
-3x vit&min tablets daily.

my diet is as follows
20%fat, 40% protein, 40% carbs
which on a 4000 cal diet which is about 1000 in excess, will provide me 400g of protein daily(i've already been told im mad. lol.)
i dont mind about the fat retention, i expect to cut the 1 week after my PCT finishes- so 4 weeks after my cycle.

as for water retention, vit b complex will fight that. i do on the other hand expect to keep thoroughly hydrated throughout the day by drinking about 3L.

you are naive to think this is a safe route at least their are thousands of bits of info to support steroid use and you know what you are getting into unlike epistane which is a designer steroid that has not been tested short term never mind long term....

I suppose its fairly naive. I would like to ask if you know any 18 year olds on the gear, or have used the gear. Mick Hart did and he said he was cool after he used it. He said this to me on the phone lol.

i find it hard to believe Mick Hart would of advised you to use this drug at your age i know Mick very well and this does not sound like him.....

i said to him precisely, i expect to use epistane and what PCT procedure should I follow. he said the one outlined in my e-book, i then said should i take 20mg nolva side by side with it. he said yeh its better to be safe, i said im 18 and i want my balls online quick time! he said use hcg once a week for three weeks and take some nolva. i said will i be cool without hcg? he said yeh, i was.

if hes a good freind can you tell him that im 18, and that what pct should i do to stay safe as poss and that since im 18 would it be cool?
ty

Lost Soul · 04-05-2008, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drhighintensity

lol.
its only epistane ;)

and you are only 18
and weight not a lot
and have not really trained very long

I too doubt mick hart would even know what this drug was but i am pretty confident i know where you got the idea of epistane from

anyhow, you come here for opinions, help and suggestions

all so far are 'possibly not for you' but its your body

ps if you have gained 22.5lb of lean muscle whilst dropping fat in 7 months you should be a new case study as about the best seen naturally is about 20lb in a year

drhighintensity · 04-05-2008, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lost Soul

and you are only 18
and weight not a lot
and have not really trained very long

I too doubt mick hart would even know what this drug was but i am pretty confident i know where you got the idea of epistane from

i learnt it from my dear cousins, its either that or dbol lol.

anyhow, you come here for opinions, help and suggestions

all so far are 'possibly not for you' but its your body

help me make best safety decision i want to go ahead with it

ps if you have gained 22.5lb of lean muscle whilst dropping fat in 7 months you should be a new case study as about the best seen naturally is about 20lb in a year

clients of mike mentzer have attained 38lb's naturally. yes, naturally. thats in 12 months tho

04-05-2008, 12:09 AM	#1 (permalink)
drhighintensity Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Gym & Kitchen Posts: 283	PCT hi. i am 18 i will run epistane for 1 month at 20/30/30/40 i expect to use nolvadex to kill off the bloody estrogen and bring my balls back online. should i use clomid side by side TOO? please comment.

04-05-2008, 08:23 AM	#3 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11,113	Re: PCT Designer steroids in my opinion are dangerous mainly because no one knows what they actually effect, the fact you need prescription only drugs to recover from an OTC supplement (as it is marketed) is dodgy i would steer well clear

04-05-2008, 08:25 AM	#4 (permalink)
Slamdog Who nicked my hair? Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northampton Posts: 2,650 Blog Entries: 30	Re: PCT the fact that you are only 18 worries me a bit..... will your balls ever work again? who knows with these designer drugs and the fact that you are so young...

04-05-2008, 08:35 AM	#5 (permalink)
Lost Soul Curing the 'Arms & Supplements Syndrome' (ASS) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,141	Re: PCT This is a steroid, 18 years old is too young IMO but your call dosing is fine, length is fine, some may fancy clomid over nolva that certainly would be my first dip in the steroid game though i personally would wait til 21-22 and run a real cycle of test for 10 weeks

04-05-2008, 11:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
drhighintensity Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Gym & Kitchen Posts: 283	Re: PCT im an injection virgin and i hate injections! i want to run epi primarily for the reasons i want to gain 1st and keep it with proper pct, i want MILD supression of my gonads making pct easier as compared to dbol which is much more andro, and its a lean bulk with no water retention or fat so its all good i've been told if my balls go 'offline' then take hcg 500iu x1 for 3 weeks. but its not really needed as my balls will defo come back online. the body loves homeostatis btw lost soul, i luv ur signature its so true lol.

04-05-2008, 11:52 AM	#7 (permalink)
Lost Soul Curing the 'Arms & Supplements Syndrome' (ASS) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,141	Re: PCT All that info is nice, but you are 18 years old what are your stats and training history?

04-05-2008, 02:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
Lost Soul Curing the 'Arms & Supplements Syndrome' (ASS) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,141	Re: PCT Im not sure what to say other than 'ok my friend, crack on'

04-05-2008, 02:46 PM	#12 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11,113	Re: PCT you say only epistane but this will suppress the HPTA(shutdown) just as much as D/bol will do the fact you need Nolva etc for PCT tells you this.... do not be stupid enough to think you will get no sides from this drug or that it will not shut you down as it will....fat and water gain is down to diet not the steroid you are taking you thinking this tells me you have not thought this through..... you are naive to think this is a safe route at least their are thousands of bits of info to support steroid use and you know what you are getting into unlike epistane which is a designer steroid that has not been tested short term never mind long term.... i find it hard to believe Mick Hart would of advised you to use this drug at your age i know Mick very well and this does not sound like him.....

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