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**Pscarb** · 04-05-2008, 02:13 PM

you speak in certainty's yet this drug is very new so i am confused to why you can make assumptions??

it is not my job to ask Mick about PCT for you that's your responsibility, again the reason i am confused why and how Mick can advise you on this drug is because it is very very new and Mick is old school i would not of thought he had any experience with it so the stuff you say he said to you would be a guess. you say you have spoken to him on the phone will he remember you he must right as i am sure he does not advise many on epistane i will ask him how he advised you....

suppression in suppression mate you don't get a little suppressed then a little more etc just as shutdown is shutdown you cannot be shutdown twice.....

you use it mate i am sure you will do or are doing best of luck.....

**Pscarb** · 04-05-2008, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drhighintensity

clients of mike mentzer have attained 38lb's naturally. yes, naturally. thats in 12 months tho

And????
are you being coached by Mike Mentzer??

but this is mute as you are not natural as this is a steroid!!!!

Lost Soul · 04-05-2008, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pscarb

you use it mate i am sure you will do or are doing best of luck.....

x 2

drhighintensity · 04-05-2008, 02:17 PM

[quote=Pscarb;430109]you speak in certainty's yet this drug is very new so i am confused to why you can make assumptions??

i mentioned to him i wanted to use epistane, will ring him again though.

it is not my job to ask Mick about PCT for you that's your responsibility, again the reason i am confused why and how Mick can advise you on this drug is because it is very very new and Mick is old school i would not of thought he had any experience with it so the stuff you say he said to you would be a guess. you say you have spoken to him on the phone will he remember you he must right as i am sure he does not advise many on epistane i will ask him how he advised you....

ok

suppression in suppression mate you don't get a little suppressed then a little more etc just as shutdown is shutdown you cannot be shutdown twice.....

so your saying regardless of steriod and the dose the supression will be always be 100% regardless?

you use it mate i am sure you will do or are doing best of luck.....

you make me feel scared lol.

i dont see the difference in using it at 18, as compared to 21 when people say you should use it. i mean gear is not as worse as smoking or drinking. i've never smoked in my life, nor had a drop of alcohol. i have been told it will stunt my growth, so what. im 5'9/5'10 and im confident im not growing anymore.

however, i would appreciate it if you could help me with the PCT, because if i can get that spot on i'll keep all my gains and my bollocks will come back to normal

thanks

mike is dead lol..
but clients of his prevoiusly have gained that without any gear at all.

p.s - will get bloodwork done to find my base values etc etc.
[\/quote]

**Pscarb** · 04-05-2008, 02:28 PM

any steroid(yes this is a steroid) will cause suppression this is a fact obvouisly dose and length of cycle dictates how hard it is to recover but this is a new Drug so no one knows if they say they do it is a guess....plus if it did not suppress that bad why do you need a PCT??

the difference between 18 and 21 is huge for starters your own hormones are still not stable and messing around with them now could cause major issues.....

i know Mike is dead but my point is that you are not being coached by Mike you do not have his methods(diet/supplements/training) mastered so you cannot make a comparison.....
i do Stress again if you take this drug you are not natural do not kid yourself to feel you are.

getting your bloods done is probably the only sensible thing you have said in this thread....

you have been given PCT advice by Mick, i have never used Epistane nor have any of my athletes so i cannot and will not guess what you need....

drhighintensity · 04-05-2008, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pscarb

any steroid(yes this is a steroid) will cause suppression this is a fact obvouisly dose and length of cycle dictates how hard it is to recover but this is a new Drug so no one knows if they say they do it is a guess....plus if it did not suppress that bad why do you need a PCT??

pct is the safety precaution just incase. i have mates who used dbol for 6 weeks at 30mg a day and didnt bother with pct at all.

the difference between 18 and 21 is huge for starters your own hormones are still not stable and messing around with them now could cause major issues.....

thats something else to ask my doctor whether my hormones are stable or not. personally i think that argument is crappy because at 18 your hormones are high, and at 21 they're higher! i suppose this argument depends on your development.

i know Mike is dead but my point is that you are not being coached by Mike you do not have his methods(diet/supplements/training) mastered so you cannot make a comparison.....
i do Stress again if you take this drug you are not natural do not kid yourself to feel you are.

lol this is steriods, after steriods im chemically enhanced lol.

getting your bloods done is probably the only sensible thing you have said in this thread....

ty

you have been given PCT advice by Mick, i have never used Epistane nor have any of my athletes so i cannot and will not guess what you need....

if i said i was going to use dbol, what would you recommend for pct, considering my age?

thank you for responding, i appreciate it. i hope my posts havent come off as arrogant or me acting like a basterd. i just want to know your input.

**Pscarb** · 04-05-2008, 02:39 PM

Quote:

thank you for responding, i appreciate it. i hope my posts havent come off as arrogant or me acting like a basterd. i just want to know your input.

well dropping the "LOL" will help....

i would probably advise a PCT such as....

Day 1 - 10 100mg Clomid
Days 11 - 28 50mg clomid/20mg nolvadex

as i said this is a guess as i have no experiance with this drug....

Lost Soul · 04-05-2008, 02:41 PM

Quote:

thank you for responding, i appreciate it. i hope my posts havent come off as arrogant or me acting like a basterd. i just want to know your input.

They have a little my friend, hence me actually scrapping quite a lengthy post

people are telling you for your won safety

the PCT for dbol will be similar if not identicle to epistane

epistane is a waste of a drug when you have SD, dbol or test at hand

if you must go down this route at least take something worthwhile as shutdown is shutdown with these meds listed

ps - probably command a little more respect from older members with a less 'in your face approach' and the pink writing, doesnt make you a great candidate for gear use in the eys of many especially as you weigh very little, are very yound and havent been training more than 7 months

drhighintensity · 04-05-2008, 03:11 PM

im sorry if it has.
ty for the help.

thestudbeast · 04-05-2008, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pscarb

you say only epistane but this will suppress the HPTA(shutdown) just as much as D/bol will do the fact you need Nolva etc for PCT tells you this....

do not be stupid enough to think you will get no sides from this drug or that it will not shut you down as it will....fat and water gain is down to diet not the steroid you are taking you thinking this tells me you have not thought this through.....

you are naive to think this is a safe route at least their are thousands of bits of info to support steroid use and you know what you are getting into unlike epistane which is a designer steroid that has not been tested short term never mind long term....

i find it hard to believe Mick Hart would of advised you to use this drug at your age i know Mick very well and this does not sound like him.....

Look I agree with the tone of this but Epi has been around for ages it's an old japanese steriod, it is milder on shutdown than d-bol over a 4 week period as it's also a SERM, plus it's less androgenic than d-bol. I've used it so at least my comments are backed up. Loads of stuff we use have not been used in the fashion we are now using them as BB, esp over the long term. Out of the designer steriods this is a good one (hell they had to get one right eventualy).

Original poster: It's a steriod and as such should not be used by someone your age, you have every thing you need inside you at this time in life. Plus the SERM effects of it can be too strong on younger people with high test levels (expect gyno induced by your own natty test levels).

drhighintensity · 04-05-2008, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thestudbeast

Look I agree with the tone of this but Epi has been around for ages it's an old japanese steriod, it is milder on shutdown than d-bol over a 4 week period as it's also a SERM, plus it's less androgenic than d-bol. I've used it so at least my comments are backed up. Loads of stuff we use have not been used in the fashion we are now using them as BB, esp over the long term. Out of the designer steriods this is a good one (hell they had to get one right eventualy).

Original poster: It's a steriod and as such should not be used by someone your age, you have every thing you need inside you at this time in life. Plus the SERM effects of it can be too strong on younger people with high test levels (expect gyno induced by your own natty test levels).

god almighty...
why will i get gyno?

im not prone or anything my 1st cousins 3 of them have used dbol with NO PRECAUTIONS and got no bitch tits at all lol.

**Pscarb** · 04-05-2008, 04:13 PM

StudBeast thanks for that mate like i said i know nothing about this....

thestudbeast · 04-05-2008, 04:16 PM

Epi has two functions

1. Anabolic (although it is also mildly androgenic)
2. SERM

The second function will drive up your natty test levels very stongly across the first 13 days (stupid amounts over the first 5), test aromitizes and so can leave you prone to gyno. Now don't take this the wrong way but have you done any research into this product? If your hormone levels are already rampant it can become a problem. I'd definatly run an AI with it, or in you case don't do it and just go to the diet section and get the help that will lead to real long term growth.

thestudbeast · 04-05-2008, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pscarb

StudBeast thanks for that mate like i said i know nothing about this....

No probs mate as said I agree with the general tone of your arguement.

pauly7582 · 04-05-2008, 04:24 PM

I don't know about you lot.

But I find the use of pink font more worrying than any drugs he's mentioned!!!

04-05-2008, 02:13 PM	#16 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9,187	Re: PCT you speak in certainty's yet this drug is very new so i am confused to why you can make assumptions?? it is not my job to ask Mick about PCT for you that's your responsibility, again the reason i am confused why and how Mick can advise you on this drug is because it is very very new and Mick is old school i would not of thought he had any experience with it so the stuff you say he said to you would be a guess. you say you have spoken to him on the phone will he remember you he must right as i am sure he does not advise many on epistane i will ask him how he advised you.... suppression in suppression mate you don't get a little suppressed then a little more etc just as shutdown is shutdown you cannot be shutdown twice..... you use it mate i am sure you will do or are doing best of luck..... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Nutrition is your greatest anabolic agent; everything else is just the icing on the cake

04-05-2008, 02:17 PM	#19 (permalink)
drhighintensity Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 37	Re: PCT [quote=Pscarb;430109]you speak in certainty's yet this drug is very new so i am confused to why you can make assumptions?? i mentioned to him i wanted to use epistane, will ring him again though. it is not my job to ask Mick about PCT for you that's your responsibility, again the reason i am confused why and how Mick can advise you on this drug is because it is very very new and Mick is old school i would not of thought he had any experience with it so the stuff you say he said to you would be a guess. you say you have spoken to him on the phone will he remember you he must right as i am sure he does not advise many on epistane i will ask him how he advised you.... ok suppression in suppression mate you don't get a little suppressed then a little more etc just as shutdown is shutdown you cannot be shutdown twice..... so your saying regardless of steriod and the dose the supression will be always be 100% regardless? you use it mate i am sure you will do or are doing best of luck..... you make me feel scared lol. i dont see the difference in using it at 18, as compared to 21 when people say you should use it. i mean gear is not as worse as smoking or drinking. i've never smoked in my life, nor had a drop of alcohol. i have been told it will stunt my growth, so what. im 5'9/5'10 and im confident im not growing anymore. however, i would appreciate it if you could help me with the PCT, because if i can get that spot on i'll keep all my gains and my bollocks will come back to normal thanks mike is dead lol.. but clients of his prevoiusly have gained that without any gear at all. p.s - will get bloodwork done to find my base values etc etc. [\/quote]

04-05-2008, 02:28 PM	#20 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9,187	Re: PCT any steroid(yes this is a steroid) will cause suppression this is a fact obvouisly dose and length of cycle dictates how hard it is to recover but this is a new Drug so no one knows if they say they do it is a guess....plus if it did not suppress that bad why do you need a PCT?? the difference between 18 and 21 is huge for starters your own hormones are still not stable and messing around with them now could cause major issues..... i know Mike is dead but my point is that you are not being coached by Mike you do not have his methods(diet/supplements/training) mastered so you cannot make a comparison..... i do Stress again if you take this drug you are not natural do not kid yourself to feel you are. getting your bloods done is probably the only sensible thing you have said in this thread.... you have been given PCT advice by Mick, i have never used Epistane nor have any of my athletes so i cannot and will not guess what you need.... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Nutrition is your greatest anabolic agent; everything else is just the icing on the cake

04-05-2008, 03:11 PM	#24 (permalink)
drhighintensity Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 37	Re: PCT im sorry if it has. ty for the help.

04-05-2008, 04:13 PM	#27 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9,187	Re: PCT StudBeast thanks for that mate like i said i know nothing about this.... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Nutrition is your greatest anabolic agent; everything else is just the icing on the cake

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thestudbeast bann3d Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Weston super mud Posts: 877	Re: PCT Epi has two functions 1. Anabolic (although it is also mildly androgenic) 2. SERM The second function will drive up your natty test levels very stongly across the first 13 days (stupid amounts over the first 5), test aromitizes and so can leave you prone to gyno. Now don't take this the wrong way but have you done any research into this product? If your hormone levels are already rampant it can become a problem. I'd definatly run an AI with it, or in you case don't do it and just go to the diet section and get the help that will lead to real long term growth.

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pauly7582 Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Newcastle Posts: 1,002	Re: PCT I don't know about you lot. But I find the use of pink font more worrying than any drugs he's mentioned!!! __________________ 6' 0" 220lb 11% bf BP: 180k DL: 260k Squat:200k Dieting To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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