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![]() | First cycle ~ ideas / comments welcome plz? hi there, I am 19 years old and I am a powerlifter. I have a comp in July and want to start my first cycle as soon as possible i have put alot of work and research into it and would like some feedback on my choice.I want mainly strength gains...MINIMAL size and retention hence the Anastrozole. Any ideas you guys think i should do to help my gains & my body.. I have so far ordered: Test Enanthate 20 amps. 500mg/week for 10 weeks. Anastrozole 0.5mg every other day whilst on. Clomid [pct described below] Nolvadex 30x20mg tabs HCG [still trying to source....] Supplements ordered for cycle: Vit C 3x500mg / day Rhodiola rosea 3g per day 10-15g fish oils / day Resveratrol 300mg /day PCT Plan: Week 1: 100mg/day Clomid + 20mg/day Tamoxifen [nolva] & 250iu HCG Week 2: 50mg/day Clomid + 20mg/day Tamoxifen [nolva] & 250iu HCG Week 3: 50mg/day Clomid + 20mg/day Tamoxifen [nolva] & 250iu HCG Week 4: 20mg/day Tamoxifen [nolva] & 250iu HCG IF YOU GUYS COULD SUGGEST EXACT STARTING TIMES FOR PCT AND THAT...AND ALSO IF YOU THIN ANYTHING COULD BE DONE BETTER?
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Re: First cycle ~ ideas / comments welcome plz? Adex kills my joints and i wouldnt like to try and perform on it IMO you are better using DECA or something more anabolic
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Re: First cycle ~ ideas / comments welcome plz? You dont need testosterone at 19yrs old no matter what your sport is, at your age your in your prime and have a high amount of hormones to reach you goals naturally, using AAS before your own system settles down can result in perminaut damage to your HPTA and isn't worth the risk. Use what you have naturally before implementing something what could cause damages to your own production. Your HPTA hasn't fully developed so shutting it down can be serious in the future. Might not what you want to here, but its true. |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Re: First cycle ~ ideas / comments welcome plz? Quote:
And when he wants strength gains mostly..
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Re: First cycle ~ ideas / comments welcome plz? yes correct What do you use DECA for my friend?
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Re: First cycle ~ ideas / comments welcome plz? lol I've never used it, I'm only 4 weeks into my first cycle. (avatar on day one) I was under the impression that deca is an anabolic and will be more suitable for tissue gain. That coupled with the fact it shuts you down extremely hard its a poor choice to run as a stand alone for a first cycle imo...
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Re: First cycle ~ ideas / comments welcome plz? DECA is great for strength, all drugs shut you down DECA is favoured by athletes yet as soon as you come to the shores of the UK everybody shouts "DSont do DECA alone" Whether that holds water outside the UK BBing (not strength community) im not sure but DECA and dbol cycles are great I do though not suggest a 19 year old use any gear
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![]() ![]() | Re: First cycle ~ ideas / comments welcome plz? Quote:
Firstly, i would just stick to test enathe only, and see how your body reacts to it, no need for other compounds at this stage.... you will be thrilled with the results from the test. Secondly, i would use the hcg from the third week of your cycle at 250iu pw and only use it for the first 2 weeks of pct. take 3 shots the first week of pct and 3 shots the second, take it EOD. HCG is a very powerful drug, you don't want to desensitize to it by taking to much. Your pct looks ok except for the hcg, and i would run the nolva for 6 weeks.
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Re: First cycle ~ ideas / comments welcome plz? If you want a drug that gives strength without size (or water) then the best choice IMO would be anavar or tren (or a combination of both). Not that I'm suggesting you take either of them at your age.
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![]() | Re: First cycle ~ ideas / comments welcome plz? Quote:
Yes I know about tren, have read alot about it, but it seems the sides are to harsh and also for a first cycle...?
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![]() | Re: First cycle ~ ideas / comments welcome plz? also could you be more detailed with the HCG?...asin 3rd week into my cylcle? until the end of the cycle?
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![]() | Re: First cycle ~ ideas / comments welcome plz? somebody please?????
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Re: First cycle ~ ideas / comments welcome plz? I would wait if it was me, 19 is pretty young. HCG throughout the cycle, this will keep and maintain the nuts, making recovery easier. Deca is a good drug, but I have seen with myself, my brother, and two friends that recovery was very hard. Bro had low test levels for a year (with blood tests to prove it), something about the 19-nor steroids being supressive for some strange reason. I myself would not recommend Deca as a first cycle, testosterone yes, deca no. But 19 is a bit young so I would suggest to wait. For PCT you need to run the nolva and or clomid longer than the HCG, HCG can supress the hypothalamus and pituitary, both clomid and nolva are used to jump start those.
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