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Old 28-04-2008, 04:32 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: First cycle ~ ideas / comments welcome plz?

not being funny to anyone who suggested he is too young but from the sounds of things he will is going to do it anyways.

Littleluke started young, as has AH24. Curtis doesnt seem like a typical newbie poster as he is asking for advice and listening
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Re: First cycle ~ ideas / comments welcome plz?

yes test only, sorry i miss read your post.

Run hcg from the 3rd week of your cycle at 250ius every week, right up to the start of pct. then take 1 shot of hcg @ 250 iu EOD for the first 2 weeks..
Then cotinue to run the pct with the nolva and clomid for a further 4 weeks..

Use a insulin pump to measure and inject subq

Some people might say that all that hcg is over kill, but i found it worked very well for me last time round.. I followed hackski's advise and it worked
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Re: First cycle ~ ideas / comments welcome plz?

250iu a week is not enough for me to keep things rolling, it wont offer enough stimulation to get the job done. 250iu every 3 days would work, but not once a week.
If you keep the nuts rolling along recovery is far easier.
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not being funny to anyone who suggested he is too young but from the sounds of things he will is going to do it anyways.

Littleluke started young, as has AH24. Curtis doesnt seem like a typical newbie poster as he is asking for advice and listening
Agree the lad has shown some knowledge and we should harbour that learning but certainly as adults not condone the use of gear to anyone, especially teens
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Old 28-04-2008, 06:20 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Re: First cycle ~ ideas / comments welcome plz?

So guys I am to do this maybe? :

During Cycle:

Test Enanthate 500mg / week run with 0.5mg anastrozole eod
HCG e3d @ 250iu??

After last Injection:
Still continue with HCG @ 250iu e3d?

3 weeks after last injection start PCT of the following:

Week 1: 100mg/day Clomid + 20mg/day Tamoxifen [nolva] & 250iu/week HCG
Week 2: 50mg/day Clomid + 20mg/day Tamoxifen [nolva] & 250iu/week HCG
Week 3: 50mg/day Clomid + 20mg/day Tamoxifen [nolva] & 250iu/week HCG
Week 4: 50mg/day Clomid + 20mg/day Tamoxifen [nolva]
week 5: 20mg/day Clomid + 20mg/day Tamoxifen [nolva]

Does this look better?

I have decied to not start this cycle just yet..

Thanks for all your help so far MUCH apreciated.
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Re: First cycle ~ ideas / comments welcome plz?

You need about 3 weeks on the SERMS with no HCG in there to bump the pituitary.
You can probably drop week 3 HCG in PCT.
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Re: First cycle ~ ideas / comments welcome plz?

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You need about 3 weeks on the SERMS with no HCG in there to bump the pituitary.
You can probably drop week 3 HCG in PCT.
So stop the HCG as soon as I start PCT? what do you mean by drop week 3 HCG in PCT?

Also..I am weighing [morning dry weight] at around 76.5kg I will be competing in 82.5kg class so I can afford by July to of gained say upto 83kg MAX..so I can cut down say 0.5kg [if i REALLY have to] any tips on keeping weight gain to a minimum?Obviously this relies on diet but I was checking that the test enanthate won't add like 10kg in 9-10 weeks without me even eating a tonne?

Also what are size gains to be like? I want to keep them to a minimum really as I have bought suits for this comp.. well I already use them..but some are very tight as it is...can I expect to gain ALOT of size? tips on also keeping that down?

thanks again.
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Yes I know about tren, have read alot about it, but it seems the sides are to harsh and also for a first cycle...?
Well yes and no, all sides are dose dependent and as long as your sensible you shouldn't have a problem, I just mentioned it because it has the attributes you are looking for, ie strength without size.

You can go down the test only route and as long as you use an AI I don't see why you wouldn't still make the weight class.
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Well yes and no, all sides are dose dependent and as long as your sensible you shouldn't have a problem, I just mentioned it because it has the attributes you are looking for, ie strength without size.

You can go down the test only route and as long as you use an AI I don't see why you wouldn't still make the weight class.
How much size would I gain? I know its hard to say...but clean diet...just over maintenance...etc..or even maintenance.. I need to fit into my suits that are very very tight fitting obviously...
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You "could" gain 5-6lbs just from positive glycogen retention alone.

Then these is the potential for water retention from aromatisation of the test into estrogen but you can control this with an AI.

You can control the amount of glycogen you gain as well from manipulating your carb intake. Theres nothing that will stop you making your weight class if you manipulate the diet, gear and the AI's.

Its not like you are going to gain all that weight overnight you just have to monitor and manipulate as you go along.
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You "could" gain 5-6lbs just from positive glycogen retention alone.

Then these is the potential for water retention from aromatisation of the test into estrogen but you can control this with an AI.

You can control the amount of glycogen you gain as well from manipulating your carb intake. Theres nothing that will stop you making your weight class if you manipulate the diet, gear and the AI's.

Its not like you are going to gain all that weight overnight you just have to monitor and manipulate as you go along.
thanks, its not so much the weight class I am worried about..more fitting into my suits, my squat suit would be MENTALLY tight now...let alone if my legs were to grow? We shall have to see, may order a bigger size just incase...

I have an AI in place, or will do when it arrives [anastrozole] this should do the trick right?
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Out of interest, how tall are you mate ?
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5" 8 ish mate why?
Just trying to get an uderstanding of your size at the moment mate.

TBH, I tend to agree with some of the guys above. 19 is really young to be doing a cycle, but, at the end of the day its your body, your decision.

Good luck which ever way you go mate
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