xplosivefibres

Have a small bit of gyno on both nipples resulting from an ignorant m1t cycle when i was younger! want to be extra safe going back on that it doesnt falre up or get worse. probably me just being paranoid!

thinking of going back on within the next month to something like this(bulking cycle)

1g test cyp weeks 1-10
300mg test prop weeks 1-4
300mg test prop weeks 10-12
HCG 500i.u every 4 days weeks 3-12


then come of on usual PCT clomid, tamoxifan for 4 weeks e.t.c
Thinking of adding in either deca at 500mg per week or equpose at 500mg, maybe even tren for last 6 weeks, which would be the better option and why?

ive ran up to 2.5g test a week before and tbh saw no real differnce in the gains i gt of it compared to 1g

for anciallriay protection i was going to run 50mg provrion and 60mg tamoxifan?? do you reckon this would be sufice?? have letro on hand, but dont like the idea of it runiing lipid profiles as they completly wrecked them alst time!

also

Pscarb

jesus mate you are running alot of gear ....you are talking of running nearly 2g in total for 10 weeks that is twice as much as i ran last year and i gained a good 10lbs of muscle.....if you saw no real difference in 2.5g over 1g then you was either using fake gear or your diet sucked.....

why 60mg of nolvadex??
letro does not effect blood lipids Adex does, 60mg of nolvadex will in my opinion eat into your gains......

sorry to be blunt mate but i am 10 days from my show and i dont like to sugar coat things

xplosivefibres

well what do you reccomemd i should run, just the 1 g each week?

i got my blood test back after bein on letro and cholesterol was up the left and i was dietin for the show at the time (udos oil, oily fish e.t.c)

was alot!! worse than my last blood result when i was bulking and using tamox (eating moe sat fats e.t.c as well)

Pscarb

steroids effect cholesterol levels so does diet and stress if i remember you was very stressed when you was dieting didn't you pull out of the show due to stress?

as for your cycle why not just 1g of Sus or Enthanate? along with a D/bol kickstart and a prop taper at the end pretty much what my last cycle was and i had good results...

3yrs ago i was using 3g per week and was going no where until i took nearly a year off the gear that break allowed me to not only lower my weekly totals but also surpass the amount of lean tissue i had than when i was on the high dose......

i put this down to 2 things...
freshness of the receptors...
a very good diet mon - fri

I dont know how you gain or how your diet looks off season but i dont see how you cannot grow decent tissue on this amount of gear cpled with a high protein clean carb diet.....

John Doe

What was the come-off like?

xplosivefibres

well what would u reccomend for ancillary, 50mg proviron and 20mg tamoxifan

or go on the letro the whole way thorughout

John Doe

You prefer letro over Nolva? If a new guy only had one type of SERM for PCT, which should he use?

xplosivefibres

i got bloods done about 2 months after pct and all was grand

Pscarb

for someone who does not suffer from gyno i would say have nolvadex on hand, you have existing gyno so are very prone to it so for you i think using an AI like Letro starting at .5mg ed then working up in dose until it stops the gyno from getting worse there are other alternatives like Adex(effects blood lipids though) or Aromasin.....
there is one other option and that is not to go back on cycle until you have had your gyno sorted.....

xplosivefibres

in the midst of that at the moment, been refeerd by my gp to the breast clinic lol but i hear i shouldnt keep my hopes up

Pscarb

Nolvadex is a SERM Letro is an AI totally different compounds mate...

Nolva will only stop estrogen binding to the receptor leaving it free to float in the system where an AI will get rid of estrogen...there is a post in the article section detailing the differences between SERMs and AI's this will explain it better than i could.

Pscarb

i am not judging mate just giving my opinion, i would wait then reap the benefits from the layoff after you go back on.....but ultimately you have to live with the Gyno good luck with whatever choice you make though...

John Doe

Thanks. I am aware of the differences between SERMs and AIs. I just hadn't heard of Letro before and because you were comparing it to Nolva I automatically assumed that it was a SERM. Thanks for clearing things.

xplosivefibres

thats exactly what im doin mate..just waitin until i get the go ahead for the op and then considering going back on. hopefully i should get the op!

but if i dont succed in gettin it, i dont really want to go back on! if i would id be cautious about anything i ran. i think ill go with your advice of runnin an AI instead of the SERM.. even if i did decide to use novla at say even 20mg and then the gyno came along could i not switch to letro.. correct me if im wrong but having no estrogen around extremly bad for the body? i suppose its the same for loads floating about as well?

in terms of tappeing of letro when it comes to PCT would u run it into pct? combined with novla/clomid

i hear novla affects blood levels of letro?

the gynos not that bad, just pea sized lumps but dont like it

Pscarb

yes to little estrogen is as bad as to much as we need it to do many functions in the body this is the reason you would start low and increase until you have no gyno, i dont use an AI during PCT but then i dont suffer from gyno so normal PCT meds like Nolva/Clomid get me back on the road to recovery so to speak....

sorry that i misunderstood your original post as i thought you was going back on no matter what....

i have not heard about the nolva effecting letro so i cannot comment i am afraid.....

the gyno might just stay that size you are very lean at the moment i would reckon you would not notice it once you have put a little off season weight back on....