miller25

Can anyone tell me how bad are tren sides compared to deca, cos with deca I don't have gyno issue or any issues apart from it takes me longer to get a wood when i use it and my hair is going a bit patchy.

I am thinking of doing tren for the first time later this year, but would like to know how likely gyno is compared to deca.

Five-O

No one can answer that mate, its how you'll react to it. I get on fine with Deca, but don't think of tren as being that evil, its not too bad, just HCG and get ready for a slightly more tougher recovery.

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miller25

My main concern is the gyno.

Five-O

Hard to say mate, get some letro or aromisin to keep estrogen down, you'll probably be fine.

thugz

and what i call little whispering voices telling me to be very aggresive and takes ages to wind down. also feels like my head is gonna explode with blood pressure. makes me feel great one minute and nasty another or quite depressed.
sounds crazy i know but i dont think am the only one who falls into this. strength great and the feeling of it.
leans me out for some reason and feel hard as hell, better contractions lets say when i flex my arms.
never get gyno on any steroid at any dose but do get it slightly with hcg.
deca may be the in the same chemical build up but it doesnt compare to tren at all in my experiences.

Trinity

may aggrevate your hairline.

Shockwave

Blood pressure and a cough were my sides! Blood pressure was the worst part though...

miller25

My hair is falling just from test and deca, sounds like tren will make it worse. I am only thinking about taking 50mg 3 times a week I want to know how it will affect me.

Five-O

Best thing to do mate is search and read up, your gonna have to decide to take the plunge tbh, as I said, it affect many ppl in different ways.

Id go 75mg EoD tbh with Acetate, works out at 37.5mg per day, I had great results with that dose and 100mg Prop EoD aswell a few years back.

South Champ Jnr

i dont know if you want a definate answer bud, but its next to impossible to give as everyone reacts differently to different substances. It depends on so many factors ranging from the individual (hair loss being hereditary or not) to the manafacturer of Tren you use, and a what dose. im sure theres people who have had hair loss on the product and im sure there some who have none, but the research does suggest that if your prone to hair thining or loss then it is likely to effect you more. So a simple answer, if hair thining bothers you massively then this probably is not the product for you. So depending on why you wanted to take Tren whether it be ripping up or whatever there are probably better products for you personally. Check the forums for info and you'll find loads.

miller25

I only want try it out of curiosity. I have used test, deca and equipose and always said I would try tren, I want to see what sort of strength increase it could give me and how it would effect my body.

mars1960

Have read miller, this may help answer a few of your Qs.



Pharmaceutical Name: trenbolone (as hexahydrobencylcarbonate)
Chemical structure: 17-beta-hydroxyestra-4, 9-11-trien-3-one
Molecular weight of base: 270.3706
Molecular weight of ester: 130.1864 (hexahydrobencylcarbonic acid, 7 carbons)


Effective dose: 76 mg every 2-3 days, 152 mg every 3-4 days...
Average Street-price: $70 per 76 mg vial
Available Doses: 76 mg/1.5 ml

Brands & Products:
Negma Parabolan (FR) 76 mg/1.5 ml

Also see "Finaplix/Finaject" profile.
Characteristics:
Parabolan is another trenbolone product, in the same nature as Finaplix, so what's been said for finaplix pretty much goes for Parabolan as well. It differs distinctly in a few characteristics. Parabolan is a different ester that acts considerably longer, meaning you could go longer without injecting. But since it comes in 76 mg vials and few people take the time to inject multiple vials at once, its still used on a frequent basis. 2 or 3 days between injections seems to be the general norm. Leading up to a similar build-up of 228-304 mg per week.
Another difference is that Parabolan was specifically designed for human use. That would in itself make it a better choice than Finaplix because it needn't be prepared and the chance of faulty, painful, home-brewed injections decreases. But since it hasn't been manufactured in a while and legit lots only surface from time to time the price of the stuff is quite high. As more bodybuilders become aware of the absence of Finaject and that it is very hard to fake Finaplix, Parabolan is also being faked quite a bit. Usually fake trenbolone compounds are a low-dose testosterone propionate product. This has often lead to the belief that trenbolone causes gyno and other estrogenic effects, but that simply isn't true.
This belief has taken on a life of its own though. Making theories pop up all over the place. The only one that made sense, from some point at least, was that trenbolone was progestagenic and acted at the progesterone receptor. Its structure is similar to nandrolone, so this is a logical assumption. But even then, for progesterone activation to cause things like gyno, it needs to act as an estrogen agonist. It needs an estrogen as mediator. Since trenbolone doesn't cause aromatization, any sighting of gyno with trenbolone use should be regarded as a misinterpretation and is most likely to blame on another compound, an aromatizable one. So while trenbolone may increase the risk of gyno when stacked with heavily aromatizing substances, its simply not true that trenbolone alone causes gyno.
For more information on the substance trenbolone I refer you to the Finaplix profile...
Stacking and Use:
Trenbolone is relatively safe steroid all in all. There is some concern about kidney toxicity, but usually exaggerated. The beauty of trenbolone is that its one steroid that has it all : Its highly effective in its own, provides all lean gains which are fairly easy to maintain and isn't very prone to cause side-effects. Parabolan is the more expensive way to go, but definitely the most userfriendly as you side-step the need to make your own home-brewed concoction and any risk of involuntary infections and abscesses. Parabolan is quite hard to come by however, and should you find a real one, its not all that cheap.
Trenbolone doesn't have to be stacked per se, its quite effective on its own and as such is quite popular with beginners as it delivers good lean gains without extra costs. 76 mg every two or three days and you are done. But some prefer to stack it, and justly so. As a strong androgen mediator it stacks particularly well with base steroids such as nandrolone, boldenone and methenolone. Nandrolone for bulking, methenolone for cutting and boldenone can be used for either. As with basically any steroid, it stacks quite well with all forms of testosterone as well, most notably testosterone propionate during a cutting cycle.
Trenbolone is preferred over Winstrol, Masteron, Proviron and so forth in strength, so simply upping the dose to every day would be a better choice than stacking it with these compounds. Great gains can be obtained using oxymetholone or methandienone with trenbolone. Of course for short stacks of 6 odd weeks, and taking the necessary precautions. You need to use Nolva and probably add some winstrol if you are stacking with oxymetholone, since both oxy and tren have some progestagenic activity. So all in all a very useful, powerful and versatile steroid in use.
There is little or no need to stack secondary drugs with Parabolan. It does not aromatize. There is some concern as to Parabolan being progestagenic, so you should you opt to stack it with an aromatizable compound it may worsen potential gynocomastia so adding winstrol or Nolvadex, or even both to such a stack may be wise. But in itself or in a non-aromatizing stack this is not necessary. The use for post-cycle estrogen antagonists is limited as well, so Nolva or clomid to boost natural test will have little use. It is a very strong androgen receptor agonist however, so perhaps using some HCG from the second to the before last week of a cycle may help you retain more gains and prevent testicular shrinkage.

takeone

try it you'll love it!!!
go with tren acetate so if you do get bad sides you can stop and it will be out of your system quick.

1988-s.leeson

its brilliant!!

my favortite!

sweat like a b1tch in bed! and most of the time for that matter.

insomnia sometimes, big gains on bulking, nice and lean on cutting cycles.

give it a try, u wont go back

NeilpWest

my mate used tren and he gained better than on test but alot almost all of his gains from tren. Is this normal or did he srewup somewhere along the way?