DrSquatt

I'm about 7 months out of a sust & deca cycle. My Pct was quite poor at the time and shut down pretty bad. I still have a fairly low libido, can't seem to make any real gains naturally and generally have that low feeling associated with low test levels. I'm due the results of a sperm test tmwr sometime and am fairly confident it will be pretty low.

I want to run a 'very late' PCT in the hope it will restore my natural levels again, improve libido & hopefully sperm count. Me & the Mrs, although not overly trying for a babe specifically, are kind of hoping it will happen sometime soon :-) I was considering another cycle just to get the muscle back & my old self back followed by a decent PCT, but now thinking I'll see how I go on a 30 day PCT alone. My idea as follows:

HCG @ 500iu e4d x 6 or more (?)
proviron @ 50mg ed x 30 days
nolvadex @ 20mg ed x 30 days

I've never been able to get clomid. Hoping the proviron will be ok seeng as I'm very prone to gyno (specially with that HCG in there!)

Does the above seem like a good bet to restart the nads and test levels?

Thanks

Aftershock

It certainly wont do any halm, although I would drop the proviron it wont do anything for recovery.

Also I would run all the HCG during the first two weeks. Run 500iu eod, do 7-8 shots in total IMO.

I don't think gyno will be a problem as you will be taking the Nova, if your particularly concerned about it start the Nova a few days before the first HCG shot.

You can tapper the nova down at the end of the 30 days, and run 10mg ed for another couple of weeks.

Don't forget the Zinc supplementation which is excellent for increasing natural test. levels.

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irwit

ZMA is ment to boost natural test but it already contains zinc so you wouldnt need that aswell.

beequeth

I still think your goining to need Clomid as well mate.

Do a search on google for overseas pharmacies. You can buy and import pharma clomid quite legally for your own use.

The proviron should help your libido while your running the PCT, but I have a feeling that when you discontinue use, your libido is going to drop back a few notches and this could lead to you feeling low again.

I would also be tempted to start using tribulus, its herbal so you can use it for many months without problems. It will do pretty much nothing in terms of muscle gains, but IME does help with libido.

Why did you decide not to go back on cycle ?

brownie

I have read on here in the past... that Proviron is a good drug to increase th sperm count.. but i don't know the sience behind it. and hcg should help with the libido

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if you read about hypogonadal males HCG does help libido.
It will boost test and thus libido and sperm count....
Your plan sounds fine mate, but i too would drop the proviron, no need for it. Get on the ZMA like they say or just plain zinc tablets...
You'll be fine. Just dont worry too much. Thats the biggest libido killer.

TH&S

Just for you dude, I dug this out:

Mesterolone = Proviron in case you didn't know

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DrSquatt

Thanks everyone for the replies. Been away from communications the last few days so not had a chance to thank you all ;-)

I've been on Tribulis for a week or 2 now and just like Beequeth says .. it has def done something for my libido! I'm having 'some' filthy thoughts once again, although not to the extreme it once was :-) Also, on a more personal level, I am able to climax without too much concentration. My Mrs is totally gorgeous (well to me she is!) and very beautiful, but I could screw all night and not come without really concentrating. Now, since going on the Tribulus I have to actually control myself a little bit!! So thats my evidence that somethings improving (depending which way you look at it ;-)

Ive seen some places I can get clomid online, so perhaps I'll give that a go.

I've had my sperm count results today, although they were over the phone. So I dont know exact figures and details, only a leymans term of how I am. He said it wasnt the worst he'd seen :-) He said I had somewhere over 60 million swimmers .... (min is 20 million so thats ok) well not all of them were swimmers, 50% were pretty lifeless compared to 20-30% which is the norm so it was on the low side but not hopelessly bad. I mentioned about clomid & proviron and obviously knew the answer ... to leave all chemicals alone and wait naturally, although if I were still low in 6 weeks time, to let them do/prescribe me something.

I'm real tempted to do some sort of PCT to boost everything and get my natty test levels up without lowering my sperm count. As soon as I can get my girl pregnant then I'll look to get on a cycle and get my lost muscle mass back again! :-)

So based on that, I may do some HCG, Nolvadex & Clomid if I can get it. But also although Proviron may not help with test recovery, it may well help with the sperm count?!?

Any ideas on doses & timescales of each and whether there might be some bad rebound etc to doing this PCT.

The only HCG I can get is 2 x 1500iu. Is it possible to split these into 6 shots of 500iu ? ... I could just use a third of each one at a time and keep it in the fridge. Yes I am a little Gyno prone. With the Nolva & Proviron however I should be ok i'd have thought.

Sorry for the long post. Any help with that would be much appreciated.

Thanks again. Really great reading all the 1st hand info & experiences on here. Also Thanks to Hackskii for your prev help & info on PCT etc... I'm learniing loads here ;-)

Ru

Aftershock

Yes you could take proviron to increase the sperm mobility. However even though proviron doesn't surpress natural test production in sensible amounts (eg 50mg ed) I did notice a comedown of sorts when I stopped using it.

The truth is even with everything being normal again it could take a long time for your girlfriend to become pregnant. I took 18 months off and was back to full fertility after 6.

So we had 12 months of trying and it still didn't happen. Nature is like that it may happen straight away or take several years or not even happen at all, its just not predictable unfortunately.

I wish you luck with your endeavours though

It looks like you are well on the road to recovery so personally Id be tempted just to leave well alone now as far as the proviron goes.

Yes you can re-run PCT with Nova, Clomid and HCG that wont do any halm whatsoever.
Splitting the HCG into 6 shots of 500iu is fine, I would take that EOD right at the start of the PCT.

Gyno wont be a problem with the Nova and/or Clomid in there.

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DrSquatt

Thanks Aftershock. Top advice ;-)

Yeah I'll prop leave the Proviton alone then seeing as it prob ain't neccessary and dont want to set my test levels back a step so soon. I also read somewhere about it possibly surpressing natural test.

I may be lucky in that the gf & infact all the females in her family are super fertile. She has 2 of her own anyway, but she's just had that 'coil' widget removed so may also be a while before she's ready too. So all in all, its slightly uphill but I'll be sure to post an announcment if we get good news :-):-)

I think I'm slowly recovering now, possibly due to the Tribulis. Although might whack in a proper decent PCT that I shoulda done to begin with.

Nolva @ 20mg ed x 30
HCG @ 500iu eod x 6 shots
Clomid @ 50-100mg ed x 30 ........ ?? That dose ok?

Thanks one & all ;-)

beequeth

Good Luck Mate and don't forget, practice makes perfect ;)

DrSquatt

haha :-) :-) still in the honeymoon period so there's no shortage of practice at the mo ...