can i get my testicles back? asfter 7 months - Page 4 - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

ymir · 08-04-2008, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by denny

A good easily sourced PCT would include an hCG punch, then nolva/clomid/proviron/clenbuterol plus igf/slin, creatine and vitamin c.

An adequate one perhaps only nolva and clomid

I would toss in EPO too into that PCT for insane pumps and recovery, then i think it would be the -perfect- PCT.

cwoody123 · 08-04-2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsonrob

what happened i was at the docs on another matter and the doc said i may as well give you your results so he went through it and said everything was fine so i said thanks and left as my son was seeing the nurse next door and my mind was else where what il do is call back up one day this week and ask them to photo copy the results and hopefully they will then i will post them for all to see and hopefully get back to normal.

Ok mate. No probs, i think a photo copy of the results would be a better idea or they may even give you the results over over the phone but you can never rely on the idiot on the end of the phone. Either way take no **** from them and if they are reluctant to give you the results then demand them!

**hackskii** · 09-04-2008, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by wilsonrob

Hello. i recentley done a cycle of test cyp for 16 weeks and as usuall i take some nolvadex for pct and my balls that have shrunk quite small usually return to full size very shortly however this time they have not returned to size i also took some hcg at the end of my pct for a week but stoped as i wasnt familiar with the stuff i took 2 jabs at 250 iu and the last one at about 750 iu i dont know if this matters nothing happened when i took it no size return to the teticles nothing ive also been to the docs and hes says dont worry yout still within normall testicle size range but i dont think so before my balls were big and softish to touch now theyre asmall and very hard and through out the day they sometimes grow back to theyre originall size and the next minuite they return to very small again. would a course of clomid help bring them back to size. where do i go from here please get in touch with some help as im now quite lost as what to do or if this has happened to anyone please let me know thanks. wilson.

Sorry, but you did not use enough HCG.
You will need more to coax the nuts along, whereas if you did some HCG during you could have kept your nuts nice and working.
If the nuts are shutdown then recovery will be seriously compromised.
If you get the nuts rolling next to normal, then PCT will be flawless.....

wilsonrob · 09-04-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hackskii

Sorry, but you did not use enough HCG.
You will need more to coax the nuts along, whereas if you did some HCG during you could have kept your nuts nice and working.
If the nuts are shutdown then recovery will be seriously compromised.
If you get the nuts rolling next to normal, then PCT will be flawless.....

Hello hackskii. well its about 8 months after i finished pct and my nuts are still not the size they normally return to after pct so i was going to run another cycle of clomid to see if this will help kick them into growing back is this possible after so long or am i just fighting a losing battle without hcg does anybody know anyone whos nuts got back to size after a secound pct months later ? secound question is what would happen if i used hcg along with my clomid would i screw my nuts up even further by desensating them which is what im really afraid of and why i stoped using the stuff before. or would i be better off doing a short cycle of test prop and then on week 3or 4 adding the hcg to help my balls back or would this make them even smaller hope to hear your advice cheers.

TH&S · 09-04-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ymir

I would toss in EPO too into that PCT for insane pumps and recovery, then i think it would be the -perfect- PCT.

Mmmmmm... Then he might die in his sleep ala Tour De France riders

pauly7582 · 09-04-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsonrob

you got any long term pct help plans for me ? and did your freind get his balls back to size after his planned pct .?

sure did mate! Got his lass preggo and he's been fine for ages now. He's back cycling without any problems.

The future is promising mate. With the right substances you'll get yourself put right 100%. Just be willing to be patient- give it time, and persevere.

I don't have any PCT plans at hand but if your nice to them, someone like Hacks might give you a good protocol to follow.

Good Luck.

wilsonrob · 09-04-2008, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pauly7582

sure did mate! Got his lass preggo and he's been fine for ages now. He's back cycling without any problems.

The future is promising mate. With the right substances you'll get yourself put right 100%. Just be willing to be patient- give it time, and persevere.

I don't have any PCT plans at hand but if your nice to them, someone like Hacks might give you a good protocol to follow.

Good Luck.

cheers mate. Hackskii if you got time would you fancy helping me with a good pct protocol to fit my situation help always appreciated. thanks.

**hackskii** · 09-04-2008, 07:51 PM

Well, if you get your blood test done and you are within range then I would not bother with the size issue.
It is possible for the nuts to be a bit smaller yet still produce normal test levels.

If not then time will heal but I know guys it took a year to get to normal.

If you are low testosterone then yah, you can run some HCG, nolva and clomid.

Are you getting any morning wood?
Can you have sex no problem?
How do you feel?
What makes you think your testosterone levels are low?

wilsonrob · 10-04-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hackskii

Well, if you get your blood test done and you are within range then I would not bother with the size issue.
It is possible for the nuts to be a bit smaller yet still produce normal test levels.

If not then time will heal but I know guys it took a year to get to normal.

If you are low testosterone then yah, you can run some HCG, nolva and clomid.

Are you getting any morning wood?
Can you have sex no problem?
How do you feel?
What makes you think your testosterone levels are low?

well the doctor reckons my test levels are normal but il ask for a copy of the results when i get chance hopefully monday. secoundley are you saying you know guys whoose testicles came back to original size like a year later what im trying to ask is will they come back to size after all that time or do they sometimes stay small forever .? because id like to do another cycle in time but if they dont grow i wont be using again cause theyl end up to small. as for erections no problem its just the size i wanted to gain back in the testicles would a course of clomid help them to get back to size maybe or is it to late for that as its been about 7 -8 months since pct. ?

**hackskii** · 10-04-2008, 11:09 PM

Ok, lets just see the use of the testicles.
They manufacture testosterone with the leydig cells.
I believe this is something like 20% to30% of the overall size of the nuts.
The nuts also produce sperm and this is done with the sertoli cells, I am assuming that they have more volume than the leydig cells and they are the last thing to come back.
Many guys cant seem to get the girls pregnant for some time even though the testosterone comes back.
There is some testosterone that is used inside the testicles called intratesticular testosterone or ITT. What this does is kind of fertilize the sperm so it can be active or mature or something like that. I know it has to be there for the sperm to be good.

If anything right now, you might have a fertility issue and nothing wrong with your androgens.

But, knowing how bad you atrophy, then you can always run HCG during your cycle and this will actually cause the testicles to produce testosterone.
Now granted FSH is not there to tell the sertoli cells to go to work, but HCG mimics LH which tells the leydig cells to go to work.

There is something called HMG that has both LH and FSH, but it is terribly expensive and is used in men for fertility.

The balls will come back mate, but you will just have to wait.
My bro had some massive testicular atrophy, and after a year his nuts were normal, but he was kind of jacked for about a year.

So, now you have the bigger picture of what is going on.

wilsonrob · 11-04-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hackskii

Ok, lets just see the use of the testicles.
They manufacture testosterone with the leydig cells.
I believe this is something like 20% to30% of the overall size of the nuts.
The nuts also produce sperm and this is done with the sertoli cells, I am assuming that they have more volume than the leydig cells and they are the last thing to come back.
Many guys cant seem to get the girls pregnant for some time even though the testosterone comes back.
There is some testosterone that is used inside the testicles called intratesticular testosterone or ITT. What this does is kind of fertilize the sperm so it can be active or mature or something like that. I know it has to be there for the sperm to be good.

If anything right now, you might have a fertility issue and nothing wrong with your androgens.

But, knowing how bad you atrophy, then you can always run HCG during your cycle and this will actually cause the testicles to produce testosterone.
Now granted FSH is not there to tell the sertoli cells to go to work, but HCG mimics LH which tells the leydig cells to go to work.

There is something called HMG that has both LH and FSH, but it is terribly expensive and is used in men for fertility.

The balls will come back mate, but you will just have to wait.
My bro had some massive testicular atrophy, and after a year his nuts were normal, but he was kind of jacked for about a year.

So, now you have the bigger picture of what is going on.

thanks hackskii so my nuts should return to size after time thats what i wanted to hear. 2 further questions if i may would running some clomid now help speed up theyre recovery as if its not going to do much i wont run it due to its sides. and question 2 would you wait till the nuts have returned to full original size before you jumped back on cycle .?

**hackskii** · 12-04-2008, 01:23 AM

You dont need clomid.
I would use some zinc, and some Vitamin E actually.......
At this point nut size has no indication of anything other than maybe fertility.
Your cycle is up to you but at any rate, you will need some HCG during your next cycle for sure.

Take some time off, get your diet sorted, your training too, then step back into the gear deal....lol
Get your diet sorted right now if you want to do anything constructive.....