knuckles

hi all
been browsing the forum for a while now and would like some help planning my first cycle.
i have read a fair number of threads without the relevent info so here goes.

33yr old
training for 2 yrs
started at 270lbs now 210lbs
5ft 11"
diet:
around 2500 cals a day
250gms protien
cardio 3 times a week 45 mins each
train 4 times a week approx 1 hour each
protein from mixture of fish chicken and lean red meat+ protein shakes.

the drugs i have available are:
20 x deca 2ml 100mg/ml
20x sust 250
400 x dianabol 5mg oral
400 clen 0.02mg
120x tamoxifen 20mg
liv 52 ds 4 bottles
i also have some clomid but cant remember dose.

can anyone help me plan a suitable first cycle using what i have.

any and all help will be much apprieciated.

thanks
paul

mars1960

Welcome to the board.
I'll tell you what i'd do, thats the best advice i can offer.
shoot 500mg sust, once wk for ten wks, i'm sure you'll be more than happy with gains if you double your cals and work your nuts off in the gym.
Check out the PCT sticky.

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gym rat

exactly what i was thinking mars, you could also run the dbol alongside the sus at 30mg ed for first 4weeks

knuckles

thanks for the advice guys.
so you only recommend i use 1 drug for my first cycle,

i was thinking of using 400mg deca 500mg sust p/week and using dbol at 40-50mg p/d for the first 4 weeks.

if this is not a very good idea can someone please let me know why or point me in the right direction to get the best results from the drugs i have available.

obviously this will be in conjuction with the correct pct etc.

and mars has said i need to double my calorific intake,will this be at the expense of gaining a little fat.
i would rather not gain any bad weight as it has taken me 2yrs to shift 60lbs .

training hard will not be a problem 110% or nothing.

i also have a blood pressure moniter and heart rate moniter which i will take readings with before and during cycle,i do not suffer from any known blood pressure or heart problems , but would rather know how my body is reacting.

not that the 2 guys that have replied to my post were not helpfull,but would just like some more opinions

sorry for the long post

thanks
paul

gym rat

you could run the stack you've mentioned but the reason why people dont stack for a first cycle is because they do not know how the meds are going to affect them,e.g. you could gain more muscle using less steroids, also, your body has never experienced these drugs before and it would be overkill for your recepters therefore starting on a single med is more effective. also, you are using sus which is a mini stack on its own of four different testosterone esters, i think you would gain very well on 500mg of sus a week. then keep your other meds for your second cycle, it would be far more beneficial in the long run. the way i see it... if you start on high amounts you will have to continually use high amounts to get the same affect, hope this helps

kboy

Totally agree with what has been said....
Keep it simple 500mg sus for 10 wks followed by PCT, with good diet and hard training I am sure you will be happy with the results.
This way you can leave some room for your next cycle, i.e., front load with dbol etc...

gym rat

as for the diet side that mars suggested... more calories does not mean more fat, if you eat clean foods but in a bigger quantity you would not put on as much fat as you think, even 2 to 3 cardio sessions would keep you on track with gaining muscle and buring fat but as long as the foods are clean, e.g chicken and rice etc. it is very possible to gain very well on a clean bulk without adding fat to your midsection. also, with eating more frequently your metabolism would rise therefore always keeping your body in fat burning mode

Clydefrog

For a first cycle, 250mg Sust every five days for eight weeks is sufficient. You'll be really satisfied with the gains from that, provided you increase your calorie intake. Taking greater doses is just overkill; returns will be negligible, and the risk of sides/cost of cycle will be higher. Furthermore, if you're running three different compunds and have a bad reaction, you won't know which is responsible. Far better to take your time, and keep plenty of your meds back for future cycles, where you can experiement with additional drugs. You don't mention an approximate bodyfat, but as a rough guide I think you could shoot for 3500kcals and 300g protein. This should be comprised of staple bodybuilding wholefoods; eat clean and you needn't worry about getting fat.

knuckles

thanks to everyone who has replied,
i think i will stick to sust for first cycle and eat well train hard etc.

thinking forward a little,will the remaining deca and dbol be of any use stacked together for a future cycle.

denny

Good idea.

gym rat

yeah mate, what you suggested would be fine for a second cycle, keep the deca and dbol for then

gym rat

yeah mate, what you suggested would be fine for a second cycle, keep the deca and dbol for then and get some more sus and your second cycle will be sorted

brownie

I agree with this

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