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    how do you know if your shut down?

    Just wanted to know how you know if your shutdown?

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    Re: how do you know if your shut down?

    be interesting to have someone with loads of knoledge answer this, i have asked pscarb something simular he seemed to think you may just get use to amounts not actually shut down

    of course by doing things properly time on pct then off this wouldnt be in question

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    Re: how do you know if your shut down?

    when did i say that?? when using any steroid you will get suppression of the HPTA sometimes as quickly as the first week obviously the length of cycle and dose used has a big influence on how quickly you shutdown.

    the most efficient way is to have extensive blood tests done before during and after cycle...you can guarantee one thing though you will shut down way fast than you will recover...
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    Re: how do you know if your shut down?

    sorry i asked you about receptors shutting down with me doing a long cycle in show prep............he means natural test production does he

    my bad ;-)

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    Re: how do you know if your shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pscarb View Post
    when did i say that?? when using any steroid you will get suppression of the HPTA sometimes as quickly as the first week obviously the length of cycle and dose used has a big influence on how quickly you shutdown.

    the most efficient way is to have extensive blood tests done before during and after cycle...you can guarantee one thing though you will shut down way fast than you will recover...
    so without a blood test theres no way of telling if your shutdown or recovered?

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    Re: how do you know if your shut down?

    Not accurately mate no...

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    Re: how do you know if your shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by punkfloyd View Post
    Not accurately mate no...
    So is there no sort of way of telling, i.e in the way your feeling etc?

    I realise that for a 100% accuracy you need a blood test.

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    Re: how do you know if your shut down?

    Morning erections may give you some indication but it is by no means 100%

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    Re: how do you know if your shut down?

    Shaney - like taxes and death - shutdown or at very least blunting of the function of the HPTA is inevitable with AAS use.
    Some people it affects worse than others and some compounds affect people worse than others, but as an indicator - age dependant of course - frequency and potency of erections, testicular volume, general feelings of well being and mood, libido are all indicators that you can use without getting blood work done.

    If you haven't had a boner for four days and then all you can produce is a Mr Floppy, then your definately shutdown...

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    Re: how do you know if your shut down?

    punkfloyd is correct shutdown is inevitable some try to avoid it by saying they are using small doses or only taking AAS at certain times of the day but the fact is that using any steroids at a dose that will promote muscle growth will shut you down, recovery is the grey area as like most things many react differently to the standard PCT drugs...

    i have been shutdown for 8months before (measured by blood tests) but i felt ok and had morning glory months before that my nuts regained size but i was still suppressed.....

    It takes months to fully recover all you have to ask yourself is do you need to fully recover to then shutdown again on another 8 week cycle??
    there is no way you will recover after a 4 week PCT all PCT does is is set you up to recovery it is then your choice to stay off long enough to fully recover the problem is that many don't.....including me
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    Re: how do you know if your shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pscarb View Post
    punkfloyd is correct shutdown is inevitable some try to avoid it by saying they are using small doses or only taking AAS at certain times of the day but the fact is that using any steroids at a dose that will promote muscle growth will shut you down, recovery is the grey area as like most things many react differently to the standard PCT drugs...

    i have been shutdown for 8months before (measured by blood tests) but i felt ok and had morning glory months before that my nuts regained size but i was still suppressed.....

    It takes months to fully recover all you have to ask yourself is do you need to fully recover to then shutdown again on another 8 week cycle??
    there is no way you will recover after a 4 week PCT all PCT does is is set you up to recovery it is then your choice to stay off long enough to fully recover the problem is that many don't.....including me
    Well all seems well at te moment 4 weeks off and a week into my pct which unfortunately is only tamoxen at 20/20/20/20!

    probably more randy now than i was on. strength or weight hasn't dropped and feel good, just a few spots on my shoulders.

    Do you agree with the time on time off rule as sufficient amount of time to recover before starting your next cycle?

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    Re: how do you know if your shut down?

    you need nolva asap mate, a dose of 20mg tamoxifen will do fook all imo

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    Re: how do you know if your shut down?

    There the same thing you silly billy
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    Re: how do you know if your shut down?

    thought it would be better than nothing?
    haven't got anything else and like i say i'm 1 week in!
    And before you say, i know i should of had all this sorted before hand and will definately have on my next cycle.

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    Re: how do you know if your shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by genesis View Post
    There the same thing you silly billy

    **** i meant clomid, my heads fryed.lol

 

 
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